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We were taught in grade school that the vowels were "A, E, I, O, U....and sometimes Y" without any real explanation. I count that as our first lesson about the

We were taught in grade school that the vowels were "A, E, I, O, U....and sometimes Y" without any real explanation. I count that as our first lesson about the convoluted complexities of the English language.

skeezyboy 1y ago
>I count that as our first lesson about the convoluted complexities of the English language. I dare say its made up as it goes along
- seanw444 1y ago
  The first rule of English is that the rules aren't really rules because they are broken all the time. Makes sense when you consider English is just an amalgamation of Scandinavian, Germanic, French, Latin, etc words and rules. Hard to have rules when you mix a half dozen completely different rulesets into one.
bigfishrunning 1y ago
Y is used as a vowel when it's between two consonants, and a consonant when it's not. A word like "Synchronize" uses y as a vowel, but a word like "Yellow" uses it as a consonant. Honestly, it's more vowel-like then consonant-like in every case I can think of, so maybe that rule is kind of weak, and it should be counted as a vowel all of the time...
- pritambaral 1y ago
  > a vowel when it's between two consonants, and a consonant when it's not. Not a hard rule, honestly. Some Indian languages exhibit a blurring of sorts with Ye- sounds. E.g., in Telugu, the word for 'How' is 'yela', which is often also pronounced as 'ela'. TBF, Telugu also blurs Ve-/We- sounds similarly.
- belden 1y ago
  I'm not sure that's the (sole) rule for "Y as vowel". It acts as a vowel in "fly", "spy", and a few other words. And it seems pretty darn dipthong-like when clustered among vowels, eg "voyeur", "vying". The word "eye" is an interesting one. It seems to be only vowels, based on pronunciation.
  - bogomog 1y ago
    Aye.
SoftTalker 1y ago
We learned "A, E, I, O, U....and sometimes Y and W” but I can’t recall any examples of W as a vowel.
- orbisvicis 1y ago
  Perhaps "ewe", but then isn't the "y" in "you" a consonant?
  - bogomog 1y ago
    yes

skeezyboy 1y ago

>I count that as our first lesson about the convoluted complexities of the English language. I dare say its made up as it goes along

seanw444 1y ago
The first rule of English is that the rules aren't really rules because they are broken all the time. Makes sense when you consider English is just an amalgamation of Scandinavian, Germanic, French, Latin, etc words and rules. Hard to have rules when you mix a half dozen completely different rulesets into one.

bigfishrunning 1y ago

Y is used as a vowel when it's between two consonants, and a consonant when it's not. A word like "Synchronize" uses y as a vowel, but a word like "Yellow" uses it as a consonant. Honestly, it's more vowel-like then consonant-like in every case I can think of, so maybe that rule is kind of weak, and it should be counted as a vowel all of the time...

pritambaral 1y ago
> a vowel when it's between two consonants, and a consonant when it's not. Not a hard rule, honestly. Some Indian languages exhibit a blurring of sorts with Ye- sounds. E.g., in Telugu, the word for 'How' is 'yela', which is often also pronounced as 'ela'. TBF, Telugu also blurs Ve-/We- sounds similarly.
belden 1y ago
I'm not sure that's the (sole) rule for "Y as vowel". It acts as a vowel in "fly", "spy", and a few other words. And it seems pretty darn dipthong-like when clustered among vowels, eg "voyeur", "vying". The word "eye" is an interesting one. It seems to be only vowels, based on pronunciation.
- bogomog 1y ago
  Aye.

SoftTalker 1y ago

We learned "A, E, I, O, U....and sometimes Y and W” but I can’t recall any examples of W as a vowel.

orbisvicis 1y ago
Perhaps "ewe", but then isn't the "y" in "you" a consonant?
- bogomog 1y ago
  yes