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It's a war, not a genocide. Gaza is under seige. Hamas should unconditionally surrender but they prefer to put their children in harm's way than to surrender.

It's a war, not a genocide. Gaza is under seige. Hamas should unconditionally surrender but they prefer to put their children in harm's way than to surrender. Tell me, if this is a genocide, what has happened to all the Jews in Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan since 1950? No, defense of Israel is the last stand of a people that has been slowly eradicated from their indigenous region for the last 80+ years. Hamas simply needs to surrender in this round of the war they started. But they won't unless they control Jerusalem.

nullstyle 1y ago
“Tell me, if this is a genocide, what has happened to all the Jews in Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan since 1950?” Wtf does some history lesson you want to be coy about have to do with innocent civilians starving, every day, more and more, in the present moment?
LAC-Tech 1y ago
Israel needs to open it's borders and embrace multi-culturalism.
- zdragnar 1y ago
  "Death to Israel" is not a culture. The surrounding countries don't care about Palestinians or Israelis.
  - pydry 1y ago
    The surrounding countries are not massacring civilians for the purpose of creating a racially pure ethnostate.
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- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 1y ago
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xg15 1y ago
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- J_McQuade 1y ago
  It's only genocide if it happened in Europe in the 20th Century - otherwise it's just a sparkling ethnic-cleansing.
wkat4242 1y ago
> Tell me, if this is a genocide, what has happened to all the Jews in Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan since 1950? Maybe they were genocides too. I don't know enough about them. The holocaust certainly was a genocide. Yes. But one genocide doesn't justify another. That's the thing. Even what Hamas did (terrible as it was) doesn't justify all the dead civilians, withholding food, shooting at food pickup points etc.
ViscountPenguin 1y ago
I'm very happy to call what's happened to Jews in the middle east for the past century a genocide, but you don't earn genocide brownie points that you can inflict on another group. If the war in Gaza was really just about Hamas, then a) Israel wouldn't have been tacitly supporting them for decades, and b) It would be well and truly over already, given that they're completely defanged and have no more competent regional allies.
protocolture 1y ago
>It's a war, not a genocide. Gaza is under seige. It can be 2 things. >Hamas should unconditionally surrender but they prefer to put their children in harm's way than to surrender. "Surrender" means leaving their kids with more of the same until the next flashpoint. Israel has orchestrated a no win scenario, and some people forced into that place have decided they would prefer violence now instead of later. >what has happened to all the Jews in Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan since 1950? Some have been forcibly removed. Some of those countries also worked with the zionists to relocate those people willingly to palestinian land. >Hamas simply needs to surrender in this round of the war they started. But they won't unless they control Jerusalem. "Hamas wont stop until they are in a better position to defend palestinians" isnt the amazing argument you might think it is.
- elcritch 1y ago
  > "Hamas wont stop until they are in a better position to defend palestinians" isnt the amazing argument you might think it is. Hamas has no interest in defending Palestinians much less peaceful coexistence [1]. Their primary goal is to conquer and destroy Israel for the glory of Islam. > Ismail Haniyeh in 2020: He explained that Hamas rejects ceasefire agreements by which, “Gaza would become Singapore,” preferring to remain at war with Israel until a Palestinian state is established from the River to the Sea: “We cannot, in exchange for money or projects, give up Palestine and our weapons. We will not give up the resistance... We will not recognize Israel, Palestine must stretch from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea.” Truth is that there was a population exchange between Jews and Arabs after the 1948 war between their nations similar to what happened between Greece and Turkey in 1924 and several other regions during the 20th century. It’s tragic but those peoples accepted it and now largely live in peace. I believe many Gazans desire peace with Israel [3]. However instead of accepting reality, Hamas official policy is the destruction of Israel and the Jews [2]. 1: https://www.adl.org/resources/article/hamas-its-own-words https://www.adl.org/resources/article/hamas-its-own-words 2: https://avalon.law.yale.edu/21st_century/hamas.asp https://avalon.law.yale.edu/21st_century/hamas.asp 3: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Gaza_Strip_anti-Hamas_protests https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Gaza_Strip_anti-Hamas_p...
lokar 1y ago
Whatever they were before, no reasonable person can consider hamas to be the government of Gaza. Or to be a credible military threat to anyone. They are a convenient excuse to continue the aggression. FWIW, for much of the early months I would have agreed. Hamas was the de-facto government, and had an obligation to unconditionally surrender. Blending in with civilians can’t be a method to avoid military force.
- chubs 1y ago
  You say that hamas is no "credible military threat" - may I beg you please reconsider this in light of the 1195 killed when they attacked on October 7? They're no world-class army, to be sure, but it's not like they have no teeth whatsoever...
  - rexer 1y ago
    I think they agree with you. Did you read the second paragraph?
cultofmetatron 1y ago
I have no patience for this anymore. you don't shoot children in the head and genitals in war. you don't kill doctors and medical first responders in war. you don't commit a policy of mass starvation against children while gaslighting us about it. People like you need to be called out. its disgusting and I can't believe we're all still here putting up with it. the IDF is no better than hamas. they justs have bigger guns.
impossiblefork 1y ago
Even it were a siege you also have the West Bank situation, where people have been squeezed into smaller and smaller areas with roadblocks and the establishment of settlements, and even that situation at its present intensity with actual killings is genocide.

nullstyle 1y ago

“Tell me, if this is a genocide, what has happened to all the Jews in Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan since 1950?” Wtf does some history lesson you want to be coy about have to do with innocent civilians starving, every day, more and more, in the present moment?

LAC-Tech 1y ago

Israel needs to open it's borders and embrace multi-culturalism.

zdragnar 1y ago
"Death to Israel" is not a culture. The surrounding countries don't care about Palestinians or Israelis.
- pydry 1y ago
  The surrounding countries are not massacring civilians for the purpose of creating a racially pure ethnostate.
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kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 1y ago
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xg15 1y ago

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J_McQuade 1y ago
It's only genocide if it happened in Europe in the 20th Century - otherwise it's just a sparkling ethnic-cleansing.

wkat4242 1y ago

> Tell me, if this is a genocide, what has happened to all the Jews in Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan since 1950? Maybe they were genocides too. I don't know enough about them. The holocaust certainly was a genocide. Yes. But one genocide doesn't justify another. That's the thing. Even what Hamas did (terrible as it was) doesn't justify all the dead civilians, withholding food, shooting at food pickup points etc.

ViscountPenguin 1y ago

I'm very happy to call what's happened to Jews in the middle east for the past century a genocide, but you don't earn genocide brownie points that you can inflict on another group. If the war in Gaza was really just about Hamas, then a) Israel wouldn't have been tacitly supporting them for decades, and b) It would be well and truly over already, given that they're completely defanged and have no more competent regional allies.

protocolture 1y ago

>It's a war, not a genocide. Gaza is under seige. It can be 2 things. >Hamas should unconditionally surrender but they prefer to put their children in harm's way than to surrender. "Surrender" means leaving their kids with more of the same until the next flashpoint. Israel has orchestrated a no win scenario, and some people forced into that place have decided they would prefer violence now instead of later. >what has happened to all the Jews in Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan since 1950? Some have been forcibly removed. Some of those countries also worked with the zionists to relocate those people willingly to palestinian land. >Hamas simply needs to surrender in this round of the war they started. But they won't unless they control Jerusalem. "Hamas wont stop until they are in a better position to defend palestinians" isnt the amazing argument you might think it is.

elcritch 1y ago
> "Hamas wont stop until they are in a better position to defend palestinians" isnt the amazing argument you might think it is. Hamas has no interest in defending Palestinians much less peaceful coexistence [1]. Their primary goal is to conquer and destroy Israel for the glory of Islam. > Ismail Haniyeh in 2020: He explained that Hamas rejects ceasefire agreements by which, “Gaza would become Singapore,” preferring to remain at war with Israel until a Palestinian state is established from the River to the Sea: “We cannot, in exchange for money or projects, give up Palestine and our weapons. We will not give up the resistance... We will not recognize Israel, Palestine must stretch from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea.” Truth is that there was a population exchange between Jews and Arabs after the 1948 war between their nations similar to what happened between Greece and Turkey in 1924 and several other regions during the 20th century. It’s tragic but those peoples accepted it and now largely live in peace. I believe many Gazans desire peace with Israel [3]. However instead of accepting reality, Hamas official policy is the destruction of Israel and the Jews [2]. 1: https://www.adl.org/resources/article/hamas-its-own-words https://www.adl.org/resources/article/hamas-its-own-words 2: https://avalon.law.yale.edu/21st_century/hamas.asp https://avalon.law.yale.edu/21st_century/hamas.asp 3: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Gaza_Strip_anti-Hamas_protests https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Gaza_Strip_anti-Hamas_p...

lokar 1y ago

Whatever they were before, no reasonable person can consider hamas to be the government of Gaza. Or to be a credible military threat to anyone. They are a convenient excuse to continue the aggression. FWIW, for much of the early months I would have agreed. Hamas was the de-facto government, and had an obligation to unconditionally surrender. Blending in with civilians can’t be a method to avoid military force.

chubs 1y ago
You say that hamas is no "credible military threat" - may I beg you please reconsider this in light of the 1195 killed when they attacked on October 7? They're no world-class army, to be sure, but it's not like they have no teeth whatsoever...
- rexer 1y ago
  I think they agree with you. Did you read the second paragraph?

cultofmetatron 1y ago

I have no patience for this anymore. you don't shoot children in the head and genitals in war. you don't kill doctors and medical first responders in war. you don't commit a policy of mass starvation against children while gaslighting us about it. People like you need to be called out. its disgusting and I can't believe we're all still here putting up with it. the IDF is no better than hamas. they justs have bigger guns.

impossiblefork 1y ago

Even it were a siege you also have the West Bank situation, where people have been squeezed into smaller and smaller areas with roadblocks and the establishment of settlements, and even that situation at its present intensity with actual killings is genocide.