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Is it your opinion that ICE agents deserve to be murdered and if so, why?

by _mlbt 1y ago

piva00 1y ago
I don't have any skin in the game, nor did I say they deserve to be murdered, the only thing I stated is that oppression is always met with resistance. If ICE agents are acting immorally, violently, and oppressive they will be met by people who are fearful, angry, the results of that are generally violent. They are making their own bed, I don't think anyone deserves to be murdered but realistically people who are oppressing others end up murdered. Is it your opinion that ICE should be oppressing others? Including US citizens? If so, why? Edit: for example, in this case[0], is it ok, in your opinion, that ICE is stochastically killing a kid with cancer? Don't you believe the emotional response to these actions can end up in violence? Wouldn't you be violent if it was your kid and you had no other recourse? Just think a bit harder, I believe you are definitely able to. [0] https://www.latintimes.com/4-year-old-us-citizen-fighting-stage-4-cancer-deported-honduras-family-takes-legal-action-588302 https://www.latintimes.com/4-year-old-us-citizen-fighting-st...
- _mlbt 1y ago
  It’s not oppression to detain and deport people who are in a country illegally. These are people who have no right to be in this country in the first place. I really do feel for the kid in your example, but at the same time, it is not America’s job to take everyone into the country illegally and provide for all of their needs at the expense of those who do actually follow the law and pay taxes. Who is supposed to take care of that child if the parents can’t legally be here? Do we add them to the already overloaded foster care system? The parents of that child should have come here legally. They are the problem here, not ICE. This is the problem with birthright citizenship. It creates these situations where if they leave the children here they’re “sEPaRAting FamiliES” but if they keep the family together they’re “DePOrting American CitIZEns.” It’s an impossible lose-lose situation.
  - piva00 1y ago
    The kid is a citizen, they were not there illegally, you are just repeating that sentence as if it was true for all cases when it's not, it's not true, there are American citizens being deported with not judicial review. The parents were deported while doing a routine check-in with immigration, there are many other stories similar to this: people who had been following the rules and were snatched so ICE can make the numbers the administration wants to. You are simply inhumane if you cannot see past this bullshit, you are defending the deportation of American citizens, including kids with cancer under treatment, for what exactly? Because your taxes are being wasted anyway, you are paying for this while paying for everything else, including tax breaks for the richest of your society. I believe you just don't have any empathy, no society survives without it, yours is about to find that out the hard way. And by the way, immigrants in that status also pay taxes while not having access to most of the services provided by taxes since they are not legal residents, good luck taking out a good chunk of your workforce doing basic necessities for society while losing on that tax base, you are about to find out these holes won't ever be patched just by your native population... Edit: ah, lol, you look exactly how I'd picture someone swallowing and spewing this rhetoric would look like, good luck, mate.

Is it your opinion that ICE agents deserve to be murdered and if so, why?

by _mlbt 1y ago

Is it your opinion that ICE agents deserve to be murdered and if so, why?

I don't have any skin in the game, nor did I say they deserve to be murdered, the only thing I stated is that oppression is always met with resistance. If ICE agents are acting immorally, violently, and oppressive they will be met by people who are fearful, angry, the results of that are generally violent. They are making their own bed, I don't think anyone deserves to be murdered but realistically people who are oppressing others end up murdered. Is it your opinion that ICE should be oppressing others? Including US citizens? If so, why? Edit: for example, in this case[0], is it ok, in your opinion, that ICE is stochastically killing a kid with cancer? Don't you believe the emotional response to these actions can end up in violence? Wouldn't you be violent if it was your kid and you had no other recourse? Just think a bit harder, I believe you are definitely able to. [0] https://www.latintimes.com/4-year-old-us-citizen-fighting-stage-4-cancer-deported-honduras-family-takes-legal-action-588302 https://www.latintimes.com/4-year-old-us-citizen-fighting-st...

_mlbt 1y ago
It’s not oppression to detain and deport people who are in a country illegally. These are people who have no right to be in this country in the first place. I really do feel for the kid in your example, but at the same time, it is not America’s job to take everyone into the country illegally and provide for all of their needs at the expense of those who do actually follow the law and pay taxes. Who is supposed to take care of that child if the parents can’t legally be here? Do we add them to the already overloaded foster care system? The parents of that child should have come here legally. They are the problem here, not ICE. This is the problem with birthright citizenship. It creates these situations where if they leave the children here they’re “sEPaRAting FamiliES” but if they keep the family together they’re “DePOrting American CitIZEns.” It’s an impossible lose-lose situation.
- piva00 1y ago
  The kid is a citizen, they were not there illegally, you are just repeating that sentence as if it was true for all cases when it's not, it's not true, there are American citizens being deported with not judicial review. The parents were deported while doing a routine check-in with immigration, there are many other stories similar to this: people who had been following the rules and were snatched so ICE can make the numbers the administration wants to. You are simply inhumane if you cannot see past this bullshit, you are defending the deportation of American citizens, including kids with cancer under treatment, for what exactly? Because your taxes are being wasted anyway, you are paying for this while paying for everything else, including tax breaks for the richest of your society. I believe you just don't have any empathy, no society survives without it, yours is about to find that out the hard way. And by the way, immigrants in that status also pay taxes while not having access to most of the services provided by taxes since they are not legal residents, good luck taking out a good chunk of your workforce doing basic necessities for society while losing on that tax base, you are about to find out these holes won't ever be patched just by your native population... Edit: ah, lol, you look exactly how I'd picture someone swallowing and spewing this rhetoric would look like, good luck, mate.