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I'm sure there were a lot of naive people who voted for the Republican party for their first time because something from Trump's word salad resonated with them,

I'm sure there were a lot of naive people who voted for the Republican party for their first time because something from Trump's word salad resonated with them, and they are now finding out what that Party is actually about. Surprise! All that whining about the debt was total kayfabe. Don't say we didn't try to warn you.

duxup 1y ago
>they are now finding out I hope so ... I dunno.
epolanski 1y ago
The political discourse globally has turned into a giant "us vs them". I'm Polish/Italian and in my countries it's similar to USA, we've just voted a populist troll as a president not because we like him but "because he's not one of those we despise". Marketing, data scientists and strategist have effectively manipulated public opinion into further polarization.
- FridayoLeary 1y ago
  This entire thread is a good example of the kind of rhetoric that led us there.
  - mindslight 1y ago
    My assuming that people were taken in by Trump dishonestly speaking to their real and earnest frustrations is a most charitable interpretation compared to the other possible alternatives.
thrance 1y ago
I think they're on board with crashing the country, as long as their enemies suffer more.
cosmicgadget 1y ago
Doesn't kayfabe require that they not be naive to his lies?
- mindslight 1y ago
  No? People used to get mad when someone said wrestling was fake. It wasn't because they were in on it and pretending to be mad, but rather because they wanted to believe. A very similar dynamic to Trumpism, come to think of it.
  - cosmicgadget 1y ago
    Huh. My understanding of the definition is that both parties realize it is fiction and agree to pretend it is not.
    - mindslight 1y ago
      Both parties (the actors) that are in on it, yes. But not the audience, at least traditionally. Maybe the audience now, at least somewhat? These things aren't discrete states in fragmented post-reality. That dynamic was starting to show back then (hence people getting angry from the compression of cognitive dissonance), but it's one of the main dynamics these days.
      - tstrimple 1y ago
        My mind immediately went to this: https://youtu.be/h6pRbwu4Pf0 https://youtu.be/h6pRbwu4Pf0 Could find many such examples today featuring red hats.

duxup 1y ago

>they are now finding out I hope so ... I dunno.

epolanski 1y ago

The political discourse globally has turned into a giant "us vs them". I'm Polish/Italian and in my countries it's similar to USA, we've just voted a populist troll as a president not because we like him but "because he's not one of those we despise". Marketing, data scientists and strategist have effectively manipulated public opinion into further polarization.

FridayoLeary 1y ago
This entire thread is a good example of the kind of rhetoric that led us there.
- mindslight 1y ago
  My assuming that people were taken in by Trump dishonestly speaking to their real and earnest frustrations is a most charitable interpretation compared to the other possible alternatives.

thrance 1y ago

I think they're on board with crashing the country, as long as their enemies suffer more.

cosmicgadget 1y ago

Doesn't kayfabe require that they not be naive to his lies?

mindslight 1y ago
No? People used to get mad when someone said wrestling was fake. It wasn't because they were in on it and pretending to be mad, but rather because they wanted to believe. A very similar dynamic to Trumpism, come to think of it.
- cosmicgadget 1y ago
  Huh. My understanding of the definition is that both parties realize it is fiction and agree to pretend it is not.
  - mindslight 1y ago
    Both parties (the actors) that are in on it, yes. But not the audience, at least traditionally. Maybe the audience now, at least somewhat? These things aren't discrete states in fragmented post-reality. That dynamic was starting to show back then (hence people getting angry from the compression of cognitive dissonance), but it's one of the main dynamics these days.
    - tstrimple 1y ago
      My mind immediately went to this: https://youtu.be/h6pRbwu4Pf0 https://youtu.be/h6pRbwu4Pf0 Could find many such examples today featuring red hats.