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Do you think that crime is "on the rise"?

by chaps 1y ago

Bender 1y ago
I think that crime is not recognized or tracked in some cities. This is a problem in the USA. Canada is not having these issues in big cities as they have zero tolerance for violent crime.
- ohreallx 1y ago
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- chaps 1y ago
  Let me ask a different question. Do you think violent crime is on the rise?
  - Bender 1y ago
    Do you think violent crime is on the rise? Nobody knows the real answer to this. Rather cities have become violent over time and criminals are released shortly after their violent crimes. The general public is well aware of this and why there is a non-partisan rise in home and self defense purchases.
    - chaps 1y ago
      Couple more questions: 1. "Nobody knows the real answer to this." Including you? 2. Do you think, specifically for argumentation, that Chicago is going up or down in its murder rates?
    - atmavatar 1y ago
      > Rather cities have become violent over time and criminals are released shortly after their violent crimes. Do you have evidence for this? Literally your prior sentence says no one knows, but now you're making a concrete claim that not only is violent crime on the rise, but that we're releasing criminals shortly thereafter. Citation needed. All crime statistics I've seen indicate that violent crime has been on a steady decline for decades. If you have a credible source with data that refutes this, then by all means, please provide a link to it. > The general public is well aware of this and why there is a non-partisan rise in home and self defense purchases. This doesn't really mean anything. It is no surprise that the perception of peril is at an all time high, given reporting on violent crime has dramatically increased over time, especially on right-leaning media. When there isn't anything sufficiently terrifying to report, stuff gets made up (e.g., immigrants eating pets). A fearful audience is more engaged, but perhaps more importantly, a fearful public is easier to manipulate.
    - fzeroracer 1y ago
      So if nobody knows the answer to this, why do you trust the federal government to have the answer to this? Why do you think military occupation is the solution?
- jhanschoo 1y ago
  What personal experiences, reporting, or studies have led you to this belief? If you have them easily available, please share them so that they can convince others reading your comment as well.
- thePhytochemist 1y ago
  Gun control is the main reason we have less violent crime in Canada. There is still violent crime here though, it's not a safe wonderland. There is often impunity given to certain people for serious but nonviolent crime like identity theft and selling schedule 1 narcotics (the most illegal kind of drug in Canada). They simply keep what they steal or the profit and are allowed to carry on even if there is clear proof in possession by law enforcement. I don't think an authoritarian response is really what we need but it does make a mockery of the criminal system when this is the policy. And the damage is real, with the victims left to just put the pieces back together on their own.
  - msgodel 1y ago
    There are plenty of guns in Canada. Last time I was there the local post office in the town I visited actually sold rifle cases. If you look at the US gun violence data the places that have gun control laws tend to be the ones with the highest rates of gun violence. It's cliche but it's true: guns don't kill people, people kill people. You need to ban violent people not guns.
rolph 1y ago
thats relative, it would be more enlightening to look at who is commiting what types of crime at what rate, then you would have useful information rather than a stark single metric of crime count. i.e. type and freq of crime cross with income and/or occupation.
- chaps 1y ago
  The question wasn't asked to extract enlightenment. This person in particular does not trust statistics, so the question is aimed at understanding the edges of their lack of trust through Socratic-questioning. Like, I fundamentally disagree with everything they're saying and suggesting, but they're absolutely right that "crime statistics" are garbage and uncollected[1]. But their belief is so confident that crime in DC is so rampant that they feel that it's okay to send the national guard. That confidence comes from somewhere, so I'm trying to ink it out. [1] https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022/08/15/see-if-police-in-your-state-reported-crime-data-to-the-fbi https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022/08/15/see-if-police-...

Do you think that crime is "on the rise"?

by chaps 1y ago

Do you think that crime is "on the rise"?

I think that crime is not recognized or tracked in some cities. This is a problem in the USA. Canada is not having these issues in big cities as they have zero tolerance for violent crime.

ohreallx 1y ago
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chaps 1y ago
Let me ask a different question. Do you think violent crime is on the rise?
- Bender 1y ago
  Do you think violent crime is on the rise? Nobody knows the real answer to this. Rather cities have become violent over time and criminals are released shortly after their violent crimes. The general public is well aware of this and why there is a non-partisan rise in home and self defense purchases.
  - chaps 1y ago
    Couple more questions: 1. "Nobody knows the real answer to this." Including you? 2. Do you think, specifically for argumentation, that Chicago is going up or down in its murder rates?
  - atmavatar 1y ago
    > Rather cities have become violent over time and criminals are released shortly after their violent crimes. Do you have evidence for this? Literally your prior sentence says no one knows, but now you're making a concrete claim that not only is violent crime on the rise, but that we're releasing criminals shortly thereafter. Citation needed. All crime statistics I've seen indicate that violent crime has been on a steady decline for decades. If you have a credible source with data that refutes this, then by all means, please provide a link to it. > The general public is well aware of this and why there is a non-partisan rise in home and self defense purchases. This doesn't really mean anything. It is no surprise that the perception of peril is at an all time high, given reporting on violent crime has dramatically increased over time, especially on right-leaning media. When there isn't anything sufficiently terrifying to report, stuff gets made up (e.g., immigrants eating pets). A fearful audience is more engaged, but perhaps more importantly, a fearful public is easier to manipulate.
  - fzeroracer 1y ago
    So if nobody knows the answer to this, why do you trust the federal government to have the answer to this? Why do you think military occupation is the solution?
jhanschoo 1y ago
What personal experiences, reporting, or studies have led you to this belief? If you have them easily available, please share them so that they can convince others reading your comment as well.
thePhytochemist 1y ago
Gun control is the main reason we have less violent crime in Canada. There is still violent crime here though, it's not a safe wonderland. There is often impunity given to certain people for serious but nonviolent crime like identity theft and selling schedule 1 narcotics (the most illegal kind of drug in Canada). They simply keep what they steal or the profit and are allowed to carry on even if there is clear proof in possession by law enforcement. I don't think an authoritarian response is really what we need but it does make a mockery of the criminal system when this is the policy. And the damage is real, with the victims left to just put the pieces back together on their own.
- msgodel 1y ago
  There are plenty of guns in Canada. Last time I was there the local post office in the town I visited actually sold rifle cases. If you look at the US gun violence data the places that have gun control laws tend to be the ones with the highest rates of gun violence. It's cliche but it's true: guns don't kill people, people kill people. You need to ban violent people not guns.

rolph 1y ago

thats relative, it would be more enlightening to look at who is commiting what types of crime at what rate, then you would have useful information rather than a stark single metric of crime count. i.e. type and freq of crime cross with income and/or occupation.

chaps 1y ago
The question wasn't asked to extract enlightenment. This person in particular does not trust statistics, so the question is aimed at understanding the edges of their lack of trust through Socratic-questioning. Like, I fundamentally disagree with everything they're saying and suggesting, but they're absolutely right that "crime statistics" are garbage and uncollected[1]. But their belief is so confident that crime in DC is so rampant that they feel that it's okay to send the national guard. That confidence comes from somewhere, so I'm trying to ink it out. [1] https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022/08/15/see-if-police-in-your-state-reported-crime-data-to-the-fbi https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022/08/15/see-if-police-...