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"it's counterculture if you ignore all the military/mass surveillance stuff" doesn't strike me as a strong defense

giantg2 1y ago
If that's your mindset, the internet must be similarly disappointing to you. In either domain, you can select where you want to go and what you want to do.
- monocasa 1y ago
  The difference being that I don't think anyone in their right mind would declare the internet as a whole as counterculture in the first place anymore.
  - giantg2 1y ago
    This goes for Defcon in my opinion too
    - monocasa 1y ago
      I think it's fair for someone to have the impression that defcon is a predominantly counter culture space, even if it really isn't.
- overfeed 1y ago
  > In either domain, you can select where you want to go and what you want to do. In both cases, there was a time when both were exclusively people-powered and "the man" was entirely absent. "There are some authentic nuggets if you know where to go" are the last kicks of a fast-gentrifying neighborhood, to use mixed metaphors. In the past anywhere/everywhere you could go was authentic.
  - zevon 1y ago
    I'm curious to lern when this phase of absence of the man and its entities - like publicly funded agencies and labs and suchlike - from the internet happened and how?
  - wrs 1y ago
    The Internet was originally funded by "the man" (DARPA) so this isn't entirely accurate.
    - overfeed 1y ago
      DARPA funds all kinds of things without being involved / having a military or government presence in the thing - a contemporary example would be DARPA kick-starting self-driving vehicles. IMO, the web was authentically p2p before online Paypal, banner ads and Bonzi Buddy. It's still possible to subscribe to blogs (said nuggets) via RSS - which is miraculously having a renaissance - but it's all going to be drowned out by the relentless, unfeeling firehouse of AI slop.
      - wrs 1y ago
        OK, but that seems like a funny definition of "military presence", since DARPA is the military. The goal DARPA was trying to accelerate by funding self-driving, btw, was to "achieve the fielding of unmanned, remotely controlled technology such that ... by 2015, one third of the operational ground combat vehicles are unmanned". [0] [0] https://www.grandchallenge.org/grandchallenge/docs/Grand_Challenge_2005_Report_to_Congress.pdf https://www.grandchallenge.org/grandchallenge/docs/Grand_Cha...
        overfeed 1y ago
        It appears we e have different thresholds on what counts as "military presence". By way of explanation: rocketry was funded and developed for military ends, including von Braun's earlier work on the V2 and later work on missiles across the Atlantic and the development of ICBMs. IMO, there's no military presence in human spaceflight[1], but you may see it differently due to the heritage of the propulsion system.
    - iwontberude 1y ago
      Dark Tangent is/was a fed so it’s true of DEFCON too
    - wkat4242 1y ago
- Palomides 1y ago
  the internet isn't a single centrally planned social context, and it has five plus billion users, of course it isn't counterculture
  - immibis 1y ago
    Counterculture also isn't a centrally planned social context
    - Palomides 1y ago
      defcon is
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If that's your mindset, the internet must be similarly disappointing to you. In either domain, you can select where you want to go and what you want to do.

monocasa 1y ago
The difference being that I don't think anyone in their right mind would declare the internet as a whole as counterculture in the first place anymore.
- giantg2 1y ago
  This goes for Defcon in my opinion too
  - monocasa 1y ago
    I think it's fair for someone to have the impression that defcon is a predominantly counter culture space, even if it really isn't.
overfeed 1y ago
> In either domain, you can select where you want to go and what you want to do. In both cases, there was a time when both were exclusively people-powered and "the man" was entirely absent. "There are some authentic nuggets if you know where to go" are the last kicks of a fast-gentrifying neighborhood, to use mixed metaphors. In the past anywhere/everywhere you could go was authentic.
- zevon 1y ago
  I'm curious to lern when this phase of absence of the man and its entities - like publicly funded agencies and labs and suchlike - from the internet happened and how?
- wrs 1y ago
  The Internet was originally funded by "the man" (DARPA) so this isn't entirely accurate.
  - overfeed 1y ago
    DARPA funds all kinds of things without being involved / having a military or government presence in the thing - a contemporary example would be DARPA kick-starting self-driving vehicles. IMO, the web was authentically p2p before online Paypal, banner ads and Bonzi Buddy. It's still possible to subscribe to blogs (said nuggets) via RSS - which is miraculously having a renaissance - but it's all going to be drowned out by the relentless, unfeeling firehouse of AI slop.
    - wrs 1y ago
      OK, but that seems like a funny definition of "military presence", since DARPA is the military. The goal DARPA was trying to accelerate by funding self-driving, btw, was to "achieve the fielding of unmanned, remotely controlled technology such that ... by 2015, one third of the operational ground combat vehicles are unmanned". [0] [0] https://www.grandchallenge.org/grandchallenge/docs/Grand_Challenge_2005_Report_to_Congress.pdf https://www.grandchallenge.org/grandchallenge/docs/Grand_Cha...
      - overfeed 1y ago
        It appears we e have different thresholds on what counts as "military presence". By way of explanation: rocketry was funded and developed for military ends, including von Braun's earlier work on the V2 and later work on missiles across the Atlantic and the development of ICBMs. IMO, there's no military presence in human spaceflight[1], but you may see it differently due to the heritage of the propulsion system.
  - iwontberude 1y ago
    Dark Tangent is/was a fed so it’s true of DEFCON too
  - wkat4242 1y ago
Palomides 1y ago
the internet isn't a single centrally planned social context, and it has five plus billion users, of course it isn't counterculture
- immibis 1y ago
  Counterculture also isn't a centrally planned social context
  - Palomides 1y ago
    defcon is
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