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Both can be true at the same time. You can be an idiot to fall far a scam while the scammer is a dickhead criminal.

bluefirebrand 1y ago
Scammers only work because they know some percentage of the population is going to fall for it Can't we have some empathy for people just trying to do their best in a world where so many people are trying to take advantage of them? Their victims are often the vulnerable ones in our society too. The elderly, the infirm, the mentally ill. It's not just "stupid people fall for scams" it takes one lapse of judgement over a lifetime of being targeted. Come on
- rowanG077 1y ago
  Of course people need to be protected. That's why it's literally illegal to scam people almost everywhere. That doesn't men that people should not ALSO attempt to protect themselves from scammers. It's quite dirty to bring up the elderly, infirm and mentally ill. Because of course they cannot help themselves. Those groups are not what this is about, and you damn well know it. This is about normal functioning adults walking into scams with their eyes open. And yes that group has a responsibility to keep up with the scams that are commonplace. It's ridiculous to encourage people to go through life with their blinders on because "the world should just be a fair place". Yeah it should be, but tough luck, reality is different.
  - bluefirebrand 1y ago
    > Those groups are not what this is about, and you damn well know it. This is about normal functioning adults walking into scams with their eyes open Normal functioning adults will also benefit if we take steps to protect the infirm and dysfunctional That's why it isn't meant to be "dirty" to bring up the vulnerable in society. If we take sufficient steps to protect them, we all benefit
    - rowanG077 1y ago
      I'm not arguing for not having protections. You are arguing against a straw man.
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Scammers only work because they know some percentage of the population is going to fall for it Can't we have some empathy for people just trying to do their best in a world where so many people are trying to take advantage of them? Their victims are often the vulnerable ones in our society too. The elderly, the infirm, the mentally ill. It's not just "stupid people fall for scams" it takes one lapse of judgement over a lifetime of being targeted. Come on

rowanG077 1y ago
Of course people need to be protected. That's why it's literally illegal to scam people almost everywhere. That doesn't men that people should not ALSO attempt to protect themselves from scammers. It's quite dirty to bring up the elderly, infirm and mentally ill. Because of course they cannot help themselves. Those groups are not what this is about, and you damn well know it. This is about normal functioning adults walking into scams with their eyes open. And yes that group has a responsibility to keep up with the scams that are commonplace. It's ridiculous to encourage people to go through life with their blinders on because "the world should just be a fair place". Yeah it should be, but tough luck, reality is different.
- bluefirebrand 1y ago
  > Those groups are not what this is about, and you damn well know it. This is about normal functioning adults walking into scams with their eyes open Normal functioning adults will also benefit if we take steps to protect the infirm and dysfunctional That's why it isn't meant to be "dirty" to bring up the vulnerable in society. If we take sufficient steps to protect them, we all benefit
  - rowanG077 1y ago
    I'm not arguing for not having protections. You are arguing against a straw man.
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