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From the first URL: > but it means that God labors tirelessly to bring all people — Christian or not — to salvation in Christ. That is a hilarious quote. Only

by boxed 1y ago

From the first URL: > but it means that God labors tirelessly to bring all people — Christian or not — to salvation in Christ. That is a hilarious quote. Only believers can say that with a straight face and not see the absolute madness it implies. How could "God labor[] tirelessly" to help everyone into salvation? That's on its face absolute garbage. Is God so incredibly weak that he could only show the path to salvation to 12 dudes 2000 years ago? If so, why should we worship that god, which seems like a pitiful figure compared to many nobel prize winners. I certainly would think we owe more worship to Normal Borlaug than a god that can't get his message across because he could only intervene in a credible way once in front of 12 people, and then never again.

1718627440 1y ago
God revealing himself as weak by human standards is a core experience of Christianity. Christianity/Judaism is (according to my knowledge) the only religion where not humans are seeking God, but God seeks to connect with humans. The whole bible, old and new testaments are stories where people sometimes care about God, most times run away from God, but always God running circles to meet the people again. That is the reason why Christianity is news-worthy. People wouldn't run around the world to tell you that God is that detached monarch who likes to govern humans. That's a concept a lot of cultures already had. That doesn't mean God is "weak". It means applying human concepts to God just doesn't make sense. He will always be greater and above them. > not see the absolute madness it implies They absolutely agree with you there. That's why "they" flip out. That's what "they" find so important to tell you: absolute madness being true.
- boxed 1y ago
  > The whole bible, old and new testaments are stories where people sometimes care about God, most times run away from God, but always God running circles to meet the people again. Except the book of Job. Where God explicitly tortures a person just to see if he can still be faithful to God. Kills his wife and kids! And when he is faithful, he gets what? His wife and kids back? No of course not, because those are property, he gets a NEW wife and NEW kids. Hahah, oops, all is forgiven right? No biggie. > That doesn't mean God is "weak". It means applying human concepts to God just doesn't make sense. He will always be greater and above them. God isn't even trying to show himself to exist. And for all the people of the world that are not convinced by incoherent babbling we shall all be condemned to suffer for eternity? That is neither logical, just, or even sane.
  - 1718627440 1y ago
    The book of Job is a warning to think bad things happening are the fault of the person itself being evil. It's also warning about being to attached to your current nice life, because everything is temporary. > Kills his wife and kids! According to the book of Job, the suffering isn't done by God, but by the Devil. > he gets a NEW wife and NEW kids. His wife and kids are dead. Resurrecting people for the pleasure of another person, that's like puppets serving a master, it wouldn't be respectful and consequential. > God isn't even trying to show himself to exist. In my opinion he does. That's what the bible is; a collection of examples where God tries to show himself to exist. And he still does, every decade, every year, maybe even every day?

by boxed 1y ago

1718627440 1y ago

God revealing himself as weak by human standards is a core experience of Christianity. Christianity/Judaism is (according to my knowledge) the only religion where not humans are seeking God, but God seeks to connect with humans. The whole bible, old and new testaments are stories where people sometimes care about God, most times run away from God, but always God running circles to meet the people again. That is the reason why Christianity is news-worthy. People wouldn't run around the world to tell you that God is that detached monarch who likes to govern humans. That's a concept a lot of cultures already had. That doesn't mean God is "weak". It means applying human concepts to God just doesn't make sense. He will always be greater and above them. > not see the absolute madness it implies They absolutely agree with you there. That's why "they" flip out. That's what "they" find so important to tell you: absolute madness being true.

boxed 1y ago
> The whole bible, old and new testaments are stories where people sometimes care about God, most times run away from God, but always God running circles to meet the people again. Except the book of Job. Where God explicitly tortures a person just to see if he can still be faithful to God. Kills his wife and kids! And when he is faithful, he gets what? His wife and kids back? No of course not, because those are property, he gets a NEW wife and NEW kids. Hahah, oops, all is forgiven right? No biggie. > That doesn't mean God is "weak". It means applying human concepts to God just doesn't make sense. He will always be greater and above them. God isn't even trying to show himself to exist. And for all the people of the world that are not convinced by incoherent babbling we shall all be condemned to suffer for eternity? That is neither logical, just, or even sane.
- 1718627440 1y ago
  The book of Job is a warning to think bad things happening are the fault of the person itself being evil. It's also warning about being to attached to your current nice life, because everything is temporary. > Kills his wife and kids! According to the book of Job, the suffering isn't done by God, but by the Devil. > he gets a NEW wife and NEW kids. His wife and kids are dead. Resurrecting people for the pleasure of another person, that's like puppets serving a master, it wouldn't be respectful and consequential. > God isn't even trying to show himself to exist. In my opinion he does. That's what the bible is; a collection of examples where God tries to show himself to exist. And he still does, every decade, every year, maybe even every day?