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Do you also want the bit where random people are deported for no reason, and there is no due process for anyone either?

apwell23 1y ago
not a gotcha. How do they get to turn around ppl at port of entry at the airport because ppl are on american soil and they need to go through standard due process before they get deported back.
- voidUpdate 1y ago
  Because people who are on your soil might have a reason to be there. They might not be immigrants at all, but you won't find that out without due process. Everyone should have the right to show that they are allowed to live there, otherwise you can just deport anyone you want without verifying that you should actually do that, which we have seen multiple times in america recently
  - apwell23 1y ago
    right. my comment was a question, not a statement. I always found it weird that they can deport ppl at the airport port of entry. should be illegal.
    - voidUpdate 1y ago
      Well if it's before immigration, then they aren't technically in america yet, so it's not deportation, it's refusal of entry. And I expect they also have to have a good reason for refusal, either due to who the person is, what they're carrying, or what documentation they have/don't have, which will be investigated as part of due process
      - apwell23 1y ago
        > then they aren't technically in america yet What do you mean? Ohare airport is in america. one random person checking your docs and deporting you is not "due process" . Thats not any different from what ICE is doing.
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        voidUpdate 1y ago
        If I fly from outside of the country into o'hare, I'm not technically in america until I pass through immigration. When you get off the plane, I don't think you are technically in any country. If you have incorrect documents, a border agent can deny you entry, but if you have committed a crime, you are entitled to a lawyer etc, which is due process. If you are simply thrown in a van for unproven crimes and sent out of the country, that is not due process
        apwell23 1y ago
        When you land at O’Hare from an international flight, you are physically and legally already in the United States the moment the aircraft touches down on U.S. soil (or waters). U.S. law applies in the airport terminal, on the jet bridge, and in the customs/immigration area. The idea that you’re in “no country” until you pass through immigration is more of a metaphorical or procedural concept, not a literal legal one.

not a gotcha. How do they get to turn around ppl at port of entry at the airport because ppl are on american soil and they need to go through standard due process before they get deported back.

voidUpdate 1y ago
Because people who are on your soil might have a reason to be there. They might not be immigrants at all, but you won't find that out without due process. Everyone should have the right to show that they are allowed to live there, otherwise you can just deport anyone you want without verifying that you should actually do that, which we have seen multiple times in america recently
- apwell23 1y ago
  right. my comment was a question, not a statement. I always found it weird that they can deport ppl at the airport port of entry. should be illegal.
  - voidUpdate 1y ago
    Well if it's before immigration, then they aren't technically in america yet, so it's not deportation, it's refusal of entry. And I expect they also have to have a good reason for refusal, either due to who the person is, what they're carrying, or what documentation they have/don't have, which will be investigated as part of due process
    - apwell23 1y ago
      > then they aren't technically in america yet What do you mean? Ohare airport is in america. one random person checking your docs and deporting you is not "due process" . Thats not any different from what ICE is doing.
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      - voidUpdate 1y ago
        If I fly from outside of the country into o'hare, I'm not technically in america until I pass through immigration. When you get off the plane, I don't think you are technically in any country. If you have incorrect documents, a border agent can deny you entry, but if you have committed a crime, you are entitled to a lawyer etc, which is due process. If you are simply thrown in a van for unproven crimes and sent out of the country, that is not due process
        apwell23 1y ago
        When you land at O’Hare from an international flight, you are physically and legally already in the United States the moment the aircraft touches down on U.S. soil (or waters). U.S. law applies in the airport terminal, on the jet bridge, and in the customs/immigration area. The idea that you’re in “no country” until you pass through immigration is more of a metaphorical or procedural concept, not a literal legal one.