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The number of ICE flights is skyrocketing – but the planes are harder to track
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- Stratoscope 1y agohttps://archive.is/Er6oU https://archive.is/Er6oU
- lynx97 1y ago[flagged]
- voidUpdate 1y agoDo you also want the bit where random people are deported for no reason, and there is no due process for anyone either?
- apwell23 1y agonot a gotcha. How do they get to turn around ppl at port of entry at the airport because ppl are on american soil and they need to go through standard due process before they get deported back.
- voidUpdate 1y agoBecause people who are on your soil might have a reason to be there. They might not be immigrants at all, but you won't find that out without due process. Everyone should have the right to show that they are allowed to live there, otherwise you can just deport anyone you want without verifying that you should actually do that, which we have seen multiple times in america recently
- apwell23 1y agoright. my comment was a question, not a statement. I always found it weird that they can deport ppl at the airport port of entry. should be illegal.
- voidUpdate 1y agoWell if it's before immigration, then they aren't technically in america yet, so it's not deportation, it's refusal of entry. And I expect they also have to have a good reason for refusal, either due to who the person is, what they're carrying, or what documentation they have/don't have, which will be investigated as part of due process
- apwell23 1y ago> then they aren't technically in america yet What do you mean? Ohare airport is in america. one random person checking your docs and deporting you is not "due process" . Thats not any different from what ICE is doing.
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- voidUpdate 1y agoIf I fly from outside of the country into o'hare, I'm not technically in america until I pass through immigration. When you get off the plane, I don't think you are technically in any country. If you have incorrect documents, a border agent can deny you entry, but if you have committed a crime, you are entitled to a lawyer etc, which is due process. If you are simply thrown in a van for unproven crimes and sent out of the country, that is not due process
- apwell23 1y agoWhen you land at O’Hare from an international flight, you are physically and legally already in the United States the moment the aircraft touches down on U.S. soil (or waters). U.S. law applies in the airport terminal, on the jet bridge, and in the customs/immigration area. The idea that you’re in “no country” until you pass through immigration is more of a metaphorical or procedural concept, not a literal legal one.
- rootsudo 1y agoSo it's interesting - this isn't new if you're in aviation, the redditors on /r/flying, /r/aviation, etc basically summed this up but it's just interesting that the floor to post an article is what is presented here. Just eerie the closer you are to a subject the more you see through the news. But basically, yeah if you also go on the pilot facebook groups, you'd see alot of gossip about the flights happening and such too.
- JKCalhoun 1y agoSee through the news how? You mean that the pilot FB groups were aware of this irregularity before the press brought it to a wider audience?
- cadamsdotcom 1y agoSeems to be working. Journalism picking up something interesting/important from obscurity and bringing it to the attention of a larger audience. Seems like a very good thing.
- Hikikomori 1y agoBuy 1 way ticket, get free return ride, subscribe for more travel hacks.
- telesilla 1y agoBut the hotel really was a let-down.
- shortrounddev2 1y agoDoes it seem like hacktivism is at an all time low? In the 2010s there were a lot of groups calling themselves anonymous which attacked petty tyrants at the state and local level who were trying to cover up crimes. Now we're diving headfirst into a fascist takeover of American government and it feels like the only hackers you hear of anymore are criminals or state actors from eastern europe
- woodpanel 1y ago> a lot of groups calling themselves anonymous That is of course one way to put it. Antoher would be to consider these groups part of the "intelligence community".
- shortrounddev2 1y agoI dont see why the IC would do some of these things. Like the Steubenville rape case, for example
- input_sh 1y agoJust because you don't hear about them doesn't mean they do not exist, with DDoSecrets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_Denial_of_Secrets https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_Denial_of_Secrets) pretty much taking over the role that WikiLeaks had 15 years ago. Although I'd say it's kinda true that they're far more interested in attacking Russia and Israel these days than they are attacking the US.
- shortrounddev2 1y agoIf they're targeting Russia, then they're playing the opposite role that Wikileaks did
- jonathanlb 1y agoIf ICE, subcontractors, and the federal government and are doing nothing wrong, why do they need to hide?
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- piva00 1y agoOppression always meets resistance, a tale as old as time.
- _mlbt 1y agoYou can resist without murdering people.
- Hikikomori 1y agoI though this is what your precious 2nd amendment is for.
- _mlbt 1y agoIf you’re serious about the history and intent of the Second Amendment, this is a great article on the topic… https://www.usconstitution.net/founding-fathers-gun-rights/ https://www.usconstitution.net/founding-fathers-gun-rights/
- piva00 1y agoYou can't control nor expect what's gonna be the resistance, sometimes it's Gandhi, others it's the IRA. Without the fear of violence there wouldn't be any fear of resistance, that's the whole point... Quite funny to read this very absurd take, gatekeeping resistance against oppression.
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- tiahura 1y agoAuthorities’ dereliction of the duty to secure the border for decades is hard to fathom. There’s literally 40 years of deportation backlog. That this program is frustrating goals of “La Resistencia” - the source for the article - is probably a sign that the program is a good one.
- kubb 1y agoDuring Trump’s first administration, the total number of undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. continued to rise. I wonder what he needed all those illegal immigrants for…
- tiahura 1y agoGetting caught up in personality soap opera politics is unhelpful. If you are either ‘for’ or ‘against’ Trump, aim higher. To answer your question, recent comments by Trump suggest it was to mollify agriculture. Ag is going to face some serious labor supply issues and it would probably be wise for the administration to work with them to ease the transition.
- kubb 1y agoSo they failed to "protect the border" because they needed labor. Shocking.
- tiahura 1y agoI agree there’s been a lot of short-term thinking involved. It was easier to stick with a broken ag system that had become dependent on illegal aliens than to deal with the pain that structural reform would involve. However, in the end, that just leads to a bigger mess and more to clean up.
- kubb 1y agoPolitics will always, always, always choose the short term solution. The planes are also just that.
- andsoitis 1y ago> Though flights have been a part of US immigration operation for years, the speed and scale of the ICE program today is unprecedented. Since Trump's inauguration, there have been more than 1,000 deportation flights to other countries, up 15% over the January to July period last year, according to Witness at Border. What this is really saying: Trump administration continues long-standing US government policy (incl. previous Democratic administrations) of deporting flights , improving effectiveness by 15%. A couple of questions arise for me: a) is this a good policy? b) is the execution being done in a legal manner (due process, etc.)? c) why did the Democratic Party not advertise their immigration enforcement to the electorate, when that was probably the most foundational issue the opposition ran on?
- woodpanel 1y agoRe c) Propably a result of wheighing the options here: curbing the enthusiasm of your opponent's base vs. that of yours. You loose more of your own base than you're going to win from the opponents. From this perspective, it can be quite logical why the DNC stayed silent about this. After luring your base in with "enforcing rule-of-law is racist"-rethoric, admitting to enforcing the law would be a bit of political suicide.
- analognoise 1y agoHas anybody ever said “enforcing the rule of law is racist”? This is America, we’ve had plenty of explicitly racist laws without a canard like this for “the Dems”.
- woodpanel 1y agoYou make it sound like no one ever demanded to „defund the police“
- analognoise 1y agoHow popular was “defund the police”? Do you have any facts or figures? I took “defund the police” to be a knee jerk reaction to having one of the largest prison populations per capita, the most money spent on policing, combined with a violent and racist history - a good number of people are (rightfully) fed up. I don’t think it was ever broadly popular. We could cut our police budgets by a massive amount and still be overspending on it.
- woodpanel 1y agoWith the rise of these tracking services a cat-and-mouse-situation was foreseeable all along, especially for security related type of flights. Probably already happening for intelligence operations. I assume the obfuscation makes sense for deportation-flights, but one could argue that keeping it transparent would be a political win. So what might be the reason? Keeping the involved staff safe?
- JKCalhoun 1y agoI'm not surprised this was flagged. Forget ICE though, that this anonymity is allowed is rather frightening. I'm predicting headlines in the coming years about drugs being flown into the U.S. under cover of ICE flights. (Some of us can remember the drug flights in the 1980's that paid for arming the Nicaraguan Contras.)
- soraminazuki 1y agoThat it's getting easier to delist flights from public trackers is a new development with far-reaching consequences that "good hackers would find interesting." It's on-topic as ever. The censorship efforts by some is getting out of control and needs to stop.
- OutOfHere 1y agoConsidering there are 14 million illegal immigrants left in the US, and if 0.5 million new ones enter each year, Trump will have to deport 4 million each year if he wants them gone by the time his term is over. I think the rate is going to climb heavily from 1 million a year.