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Well, that's some distopean shit right there ain't it

drcongo 1y ago
From the country that brought you vans telling immigrants to "GO HOME OR FACE ARREST" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Go_Home%22_vans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Go_Home%22_vans
- philipallstar 1y ago
  Not immigrants. Illegal immigrants.
  - josefritzishere 1y ago
    Colonial powers are not entitled to that argument, it's hypocritical.
    - rangestransform 1y ago
      They are entitled to that argument by virtue of having guns and borders. I would rather be hypocritical than have my government expend resources on other countries altruistically
    - philipallstar 1y ago
      > Colonial powers are not entitled to that argument, it's hypocritical. Yes they are. Everyone everywhere has invaded or otherwise traded their way into power in other countries (or pre-country equivalents). It's extremely foolish to bucket the world into Britain and not-Britain if one isn't entirely ignorant of history.
    - coldtea 1y ago
      Did the people suffering the consequences of illegal immigration today performed that colonialism? Not even their ancestors at colonial times benefitted much from it: the industrial working class of Britain was in dire position despite Britain being a colonial Empire. That money and power went to the ruling classes and their middle class bootlickers.
      - nosignono 1y ago
        No, but they benefitted from the colonialism and fight efforts to return those benefits to the colonized. We're not talking about something that happened thousands of years ago here.
        OhioMan2943 1y ago
        Did they ask to benefit from it? Being nice to everyone and accepting mass immigration aren't the same thing.
        nosignono 1y ago
        Generalize this line of thought. "A thief stole an iphone and dropped it on my doorstep. I kept it, despite knowing it was stolen, because I did not ask the thief to steal it for me". It's very silly on the small scale. It's no less silly on the large scale, you are simply more accustomed to the cultural understanding the colonialism is not something you have any responsibility for.
        OhioMan2943 1y ago
        But it literally isn't something I have responsibility for. I hate this white guilt fetish and think it's dumb and unproductive I actively use my money to reduce inequality through things such as the lebanese red cross and national conservation foundations.- Whilst not feeling guilty for the circumstances I was born into because logically I had no control over it.
        nosignono 1y ago
        It has nothing to do with "white guilt" or fetishism. It's not a race thing at all. It's a "my nation recently and currently systematically exploited people. I would like my nation to try to make those people whole" thing. It happens to be the case that many targets of exploitation were non-white, but the concern is the exploitation not the race of the exploited. We systematically exploited plenty of poor white people too, we should make them whole too. Redlining in my city "ended" officially in 1968, but in practice it was probably another two decades before it really was removed from standard operation. And in my city, plenty of white people were considered undesirable and redlined. I guarantee you there are people directly impacted by this policy who are still alive, this isn't some far away past long since forgotten by time. As an example, the city should be considering whether reduced interest rate loans, subsidized housing, rent freezes, or other benefits can be passed on to families directly impacted by redlining policies from the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Just because it's been 40 years doesn't mean the city should just give up trying to make people whole.
    - modo_mario 1y ago
      The vast majority in any given colonial nation neither partook nor benefited much if at all. For the vast crimes of leopold and subsequently to lesser extent the belgian state in congo the biggest chunk of money got invested in the brazilian rail network to make one family very rich for example. My great grandparents being subsistence farmers didn't see shit and you'd punish not just them but me for it. Typically the people moving in are from countries which given fair comparison are similarly not owed an opinion given their sins of the father and many a nation is not allowed it's borders likely also yours lest you live in Buthan or so.
    - miningape 1y ago
      Oh f*ck off, if that's the stance then we should just recolonise those countries and send these doctors and engineers back to help rebuild them.
- dole 1y ago
  Also from the country with television detection vans so you can pay your TV tax, what CAN'T vans do?
  - LargoLasskhyfv 1y ago
    Which country do you mean? :) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funkmesswagen_(Fernmeldewesen)#/media/Datei:VW_T2_Heusenstamm_05082011.JPG https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funkmesswagen_(Fernmeldewesen)...
- coldtea 1y ago
  Also from the country that pissed on the request of its population to curb immigration decade after decade, for cheap labor force, political gains, and globalist ideology...

From the country that brought you vans telling immigrants to "GO HOME OR FACE ARREST" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Go_Home%22_vans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Go_Home%22_vans

philipallstar 1y ago
Not immigrants. Illegal immigrants.
- josefritzishere 1y ago
  Colonial powers are not entitled to that argument, it's hypocritical.
  - rangestransform 1y ago
    They are entitled to that argument by virtue of having guns and borders. I would rather be hypocritical than have my government expend resources on other countries altruistically
  - philipallstar 1y ago
    > Colonial powers are not entitled to that argument, it's hypocritical. Yes they are. Everyone everywhere has invaded or otherwise traded their way into power in other countries (or pre-country equivalents). It's extremely foolish to bucket the world into Britain and not-Britain if one isn't entirely ignorant of history.
  - coldtea 1y ago
    Did the people suffering the consequences of illegal immigration today performed that colonialism? Not even their ancestors at colonial times benefitted much from it: the industrial working class of Britain was in dire position despite Britain being a colonial Empire. That money and power went to the ruling classes and their middle class bootlickers.
    - nosignono 1y ago
      No, but they benefitted from the colonialism and fight efforts to return those benefits to the colonized. We're not talking about something that happened thousands of years ago here.
      - OhioMan2943 1y ago
        Did they ask to benefit from it? Being nice to everyone and accepting mass immigration aren't the same thing.
        nosignono 1y ago
        Generalize this line of thought. "A thief stole an iphone and dropped it on my doorstep. I kept it, despite knowing it was stolen, because I did not ask the thief to steal it for me". It's very silly on the small scale. It's no less silly on the large scale, you are simply more accustomed to the cultural understanding the colonialism is not something you have any responsibility for.
        OhioMan2943 1y ago
        But it literally isn't something I have responsibility for. I hate this white guilt fetish and think it's dumb and unproductive I actively use my money to reduce inequality through things such as the lebanese red cross and national conservation foundations.- Whilst not feeling guilty for the circumstances I was born into because logically I had no control over it.
        nosignono 1y ago
        It has nothing to do with "white guilt" or fetishism. It's not a race thing at all. It's a "my nation recently and currently systematically exploited people. I would like my nation to try to make those people whole" thing. It happens to be the case that many targets of exploitation were non-white, but the concern is the exploitation not the race of the exploited. We systematically exploited plenty of poor white people too, we should make them whole too. Redlining in my city "ended" officially in 1968, but in practice it was probably another two decades before it really was removed from standard operation. And in my city, plenty of white people were considered undesirable and redlined. I guarantee you there are people directly impacted by this policy who are still alive, this isn't some far away past long since forgotten by time. As an example, the city should be considering whether reduced interest rate loans, subsidized housing, rent freezes, or other benefits can be passed on to families directly impacted by redlining policies from the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Just because it's been 40 years doesn't mean the city should just give up trying to make people whole.
  - modo_mario 1y ago
    The vast majority in any given colonial nation neither partook nor benefited much if at all. For the vast crimes of leopold and subsequently to lesser extent the belgian state in congo the biggest chunk of money got invested in the brazilian rail network to make one family very rich for example. My great grandparents being subsistence farmers didn't see shit and you'd punish not just them but me for it. Typically the people moving in are from countries which given fair comparison are similarly not owed an opinion given their sins of the father and many a nation is not allowed it's borders likely also yours lest you live in Buthan or so.
  - miningape 1y ago
    Oh f*ck off, if that's the stance then we should just recolonise those countries and send these doctors and engineers back to help rebuild them.
dole 1y ago
Also from the country with television detection vans so you can pay your TV tax, what CAN'T vans do?
- LargoLasskhyfv 1y ago
  Which country do you mean? :) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funkmesswagen_(Fernmeldewesen)#/media/Datei:VW_T2_Heusenstamm_05082011.JPG https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funkmesswagen_(Fernmeldewesen)...
coldtea 1y ago
Also from the country that pissed on the request of its population to curb immigration decade after decade, for cheap labor force, political gains, and globalist ideology...