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> “I was taught that Jesus is love, therefore, if it makes me happy or gives me pleasure it can’t be a sin” That is a straw man. I am sure you can find some o

> “I was taught that Jesus is love, therefore, if it makes me happy or gives me pleasure it can’t be a sin” That is a straw man. I am sure you can find some one who says that somewhere out of billions of Christians, but it is effectively something no one says.

dkiebd 1y ago
They don’t say it literally like that, but they say stuff that boils down to that. People who live wicked lifestyles are tolerated or even celebrated because obviously Jesus loves everybody (He really doesn’t).
- graemep 1y ago
  "Love your neighbour as yourself" Nothing in there about "only if they meet certain moral standards". I do agree that celebrating people because they do things that contradict Christ teachings (most commonly for accumulating wealth) is wrong.
  - dkiebd 1y ago
    Everything but reading the scriptures, huh? They are much deeper than “love your neighbour” I can assure you. It’s a thick book.
  - 1718627440 1y ago
    I think the meaning of love in christianity is very different from what more secular people think it is. For example it does not preclude sending someone to prison. Christianity has a very well defined and categorized (sexos/eros/philia/agape) understanding of love. It is also not a feeling. > "Love your neighbour as yourself" That is a very important part of that understanding of the meaning of love. While it also means that you love your neighbour in any circumstance, it importantly says that you should love the neighbour in the same way you love yourself. You love yourself even when you know you are evil and should die. The stance of the (catholic) church is that you should damn the sin and love the sinner.
1718627440 1y ago
While I agree with you that it is wrong, I can assure you it's quite a common stance among our 68-influenced priests, referents and teachers inside the "catholic" church. They will happily contradict the official stance of the catholic church and still claim to be true catholics (and everyone else is just from yesterday). But then again, I think that is a large reason, why church membership is shrinking drastically in my country, while in our also western neighbors it is rising again.

dkiebd 1y ago

They don’t say it literally like that, but they say stuff that boils down to that. People who live wicked lifestyles are tolerated or even celebrated because obviously Jesus loves everybody (He really doesn’t).

graemep 1y ago
"Love your neighbour as yourself" Nothing in there about "only if they meet certain moral standards". I do agree that celebrating people because they do things that contradict Christ teachings (most commonly for accumulating wealth) is wrong.
- dkiebd 1y ago
  Everything but reading the scriptures, huh? They are much deeper than “love your neighbour” I can assure you. It’s a thick book.
- 1718627440 1y ago
  I think the meaning of love in christianity is very different from what more secular people think it is. For example it does not preclude sending someone to prison. Christianity has a very well defined and categorized (sexos/eros/philia/agape) understanding of love. It is also not a feeling. > "Love your neighbour as yourself" That is a very important part of that understanding of the meaning of love. While it also means that you love your neighbour in any circumstance, it importantly says that you should love the neighbour in the same way you love yourself. You love yourself even when you know you are evil and should die. The stance of the (catholic) church is that you should damn the sin and love the sinner.

1718627440 1y ago

While I agree with you that it is wrong, I can assure you it's quite a common stance among our 68-influenced priests, referents and teachers inside the "catholic" church. They will happily contradict the official stance of the catholic church and still claim to be true catholics (and everyone else is just from yesterday). But then again, I think that is a large reason, why church membership is shrinking drastically in my country, while in our also western neighbors it is rising again.