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I haven’t personally noticed London getting any more dangerous over the past 10 years that I’ve lived here.

by foldr 1y ago

johnisgood 1y ago
You need to go out there, then. There are areas where people do drugs openly, and overdosing, too, and no one cares. A cop walked past a lady overdosing. You should watch videos of YouTubers going to these areas if you do not want to do it yourself. The areas are famous for tourists where most phone snatching is rampant, 18 a day at a minimum, on one famous street alone. FWIW, I am talking about London.
- foldr 1y ago
  I’m just honestly reporting my personal experience. Why would I want to deliberately go to a dangerous area that I have no reason to go to? Is that normal behavior for people who live in large cities? People doing drugs isn’t a danger to me.
  - johnisgood 1y ago
    It isn't, but the crimes do not happen only in these areas. Crimes (like phone, expensive items in a bag snatching) happen in rich areas, too.[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP6tygFIQq0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP6tygFIQq0 [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP6tygFIQq0&t=1794s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP6tygFIQq0&t=1794s
    - foldr 1y ago
      I know that there is a lot of media reporting of knife crime and phone theft. However, I am contributing my personal experience to the thread. You could search YouTube for videos of people complaining about crime in any major city. This is a popular trope that gets a lot of views and engagement.
      - johnisgood 1y ago
        The point is that it happens not only in particularly shit areas of London, it happens in rich areas too, or where there are lots of tourists, areas that are supposed to be safe, but they are not. And UK is doing fuck-all about it, they care more about who said what online. It is absurd. As for your personal experience, sure, that is valid. It really depends on when you go out or what you are wearing.
        foldr 1y ago
        I mean phone thefts can happen anywhere, but I imagine that’s also true of other places. If you’re a phone thief you’re going to go to the areas where people have nice phones, I assume.
        johnisgood 1y ago
        > If you’re a phone thief you’re going to go to the areas where people have nice phones, I assume. Yes, and they are doing it, and it is a major issue in London. We are not talking about other places right now. It is a huge issue in London.
- vidarh 1y ago
  When we know that peoples perceptions of crime levels are entirely divorced from reality, perhaps you should spend less time watching Youtube, and more time looking at the actual stats. Crime overall is at a low level historically in the England, per the Crime Survey of England and Wales, which track actual victims through surveys. That's not to say the UK couldn't do much better, but this fearmongering is basically repeating far-right conspiracy claims pushed by the press that are not supported by data including by peoples actual responses when asked if they have actually been a victim as per the Crime Survey. From The Guardian reporting on Crime Survey numbers for London relative to the rest: "According the Crime Survey for England and Wales, someone is actually less likely to be a victim of crime in London than they are across the country as a whole. In the capital, 14.9% of people experienced a crime either to their person or their household in the year ending September 2023, compared with 15.7% nationally. But what about different types of crime?"
  - selfmodruntime 1y ago
    > When we know that peoples perceptions of crime levels are entirely divorced from reality, perhaps you should spend less time watching Youtube, and more time looking at the actual stats When we know that police is understaffed and can't respond to all crime, perhaps you should spend less time blindly trusting the numbers. You, too, can't build an argument on unreliable data. Just like the poster you're replying to.
    - vidarh 1y ago
      The numbers I'm referring to are from the Crime Survey for England and Wales which surveys people rather than rely on crime reports, so police staffing is entirely irrelevant to these numbers. This was literally pointed out in the comment you replied to.
      - selfmodruntime 1y ago
        People are inherently unstrustworthy sources of such data.
- GJim 1y ago
  > You should watch videos of YouTubers Oh FFS. Do you seriously consider this robust evidence? Instead, have a look at the Crime Survey for England and Wales (HINT: This tracks peoples experience of crime and so includes unreported crime)
  - johnisgood 1y ago
    No, that was just an example, for people not wanting to go out. You are free to walk around these areas (just go to Knightsbridge) with an expensive watch to see if it is true or not. Get back to us safely to report. Also... I literally just saw a cop walk past a lady overdosing as if all is fine, and did nothing to the woman who threw a bottle at the YouTuber. Who cares if it is on YouTube or not? I saw it regardless.
    - aembleton 1y ago
      Is an £800 watch sufficiently expensive enough? I've been for a walk and nothing happened.
      - johnisgood 1y ago
        It does not happen at all hours, or on all streets.
    - Hikikomori 1y ago
      They aren't saying that crime doesn't exist, it's down compared to previously. You see how you and others can still experience crime even if it's down? I'm guessing your solutions involve more police and anti immigration. While more social services and better prospects in life is what actually does something about the problem.
    - jama211 1y ago
      You’re acting like an old man who shakes fist at clouds, using their own anecdotal experiences over data in order to confirm your own pre conceived notions. Tale as old as time. What’s sad is you won’t recognise it.
zimpenfish 1y ago
> I haven’t personally noticed London getting any more dangerous over the past 10 years that I’ve lived here. I've been here 26 years this time (and a couple of years before that) and similarly not noticed it getting noticeably more dangerous. (on the caveat side, I am a fairly hefty white bloke who apparently "looks scary" which might explain things.)
selfmodruntime 1y ago
Have you considered that you live in a bubble?
- foldr 1y ago
  I live in London (Tower Hamlets to be specific). Your profile says that you live in Munich.
  - selfmodruntime 1y ago
    Of course, no one who lives in Munich ever dares to venture into London. Silly me!
    - foldr 1y ago
      What makes you so confident that you have a more accurate perception of life in London than its inhabitants? You were very confidently dismissive of my report of my own personal experience, so I was a little surprised to find out that you don't even live here! Let this be a salutary warning to HN readers that a huge amount of baseless nonsense gets written about crime in London.
      - selfmodruntime 1y ago
        I wasn't dismissive at all. I'm just noting that maybe the common HN visitor, which is most likely an academic with the means to live in suburbia or nicer districts, may live in a bubble. I haven't written anything about crime in london. Let this be a salutary warning to HN readers that people get needlessly pissy when you question them about the backgrounds of their experiences.
        foldr 1y ago
        Ok, to your question: no, I do not live in some kind of upscale zero crime bubble. I live near Mile End station. (And also, where on Earth did you get the idea that academics in London can afford to live in the nice districts, or that most HNers are academics?)

I haven’t personally noticed London getting any more dangerous over the past 10 years that I’ve lived here.

by foldr 1y ago

I haven’t personally noticed London getting any more dangerous over the past 10 years that I’ve lived here.

You need to go out there, then. There are areas where people do drugs openly, and overdosing, too, and no one cares. A cop walked past a lady overdosing. You should watch videos of YouTubers going to these areas if you do not want to do it yourself. The areas are famous for tourists where most phone snatching is rampant, 18 a day at a minimum, on one famous street alone. FWIW, I am talking about London.

foldr 1y ago
I’m just honestly reporting my personal experience. Why would I want to deliberately go to a dangerous area that I have no reason to go to? Is that normal behavior for people who live in large cities? People doing drugs isn’t a danger to me.
- johnisgood 1y ago
  It isn't, but the crimes do not happen only in these areas. Crimes (like phone, expensive items in a bag snatching) happen in rich areas, too.[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP6tygFIQq0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP6tygFIQq0 [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP6tygFIQq0&t=1794s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP6tygFIQq0&t=1794s
  - foldr 1y ago
    I know that there is a lot of media reporting of knife crime and phone theft. However, I am contributing my personal experience to the thread. You could search YouTube for videos of people complaining about crime in any major city. This is a popular trope that gets a lot of views and engagement.
    - johnisgood 1y ago
      The point is that it happens not only in particularly shit areas of London, it happens in rich areas too, or where there are lots of tourists, areas that are supposed to be safe, but they are not. And UK is doing fuck-all about it, they care more about who said what online. It is absurd. As for your personal experience, sure, that is valid. It really depends on when you go out or what you are wearing.
      - foldr 1y ago
        I mean phone thefts can happen anywhere, but I imagine that’s also true of other places. If you’re a phone thief you’re going to go to the areas where people have nice phones, I assume.
        johnisgood 1y ago
        > If you’re a phone thief you’re going to go to the areas where people have nice phones, I assume. Yes, and they are doing it, and it is a major issue in London. We are not talking about other places right now. It is a huge issue in London.
vidarh 1y ago
When we know that peoples perceptions of crime levels are entirely divorced from reality, perhaps you should spend less time watching Youtube, and more time looking at the actual stats. Crime overall is at a low level historically in the England, per the Crime Survey of England and Wales, which track actual victims through surveys. That's not to say the UK couldn't do much better, but this fearmongering is basically repeating far-right conspiracy claims pushed by the press that are not supported by data including by peoples actual responses when asked if they have actually been a victim as per the Crime Survey. From The Guardian reporting on Crime Survey numbers for London relative to the rest: "According the Crime Survey for England and Wales, someone is actually less likely to be a victim of crime in London than they are across the country as a whole. In the capital, 14.9% of people experienced a crime either to their person or their household in the year ending September 2023, compared with 15.7% nationally. But what about different types of crime?"
- selfmodruntime 1y ago
  > When we know that peoples perceptions of crime levels are entirely divorced from reality, perhaps you should spend less time watching Youtube, and more time looking at the actual stats When we know that police is understaffed and can't respond to all crime, perhaps you should spend less time blindly trusting the numbers. You, too, can't build an argument on unreliable data. Just like the poster you're replying to.
  - vidarh 1y ago
    The numbers I'm referring to are from the Crime Survey for England and Wales which surveys people rather than rely on crime reports, so police staffing is entirely irrelevant to these numbers. This was literally pointed out in the comment you replied to.
    - selfmodruntime 1y ago
      People are inherently unstrustworthy sources of such data.
GJim 1y ago
> You should watch videos of YouTubers Oh FFS. Do you seriously consider this robust evidence? Instead, have a look at the Crime Survey for England and Wales (HINT: This tracks peoples experience of crime and so includes unreported crime)
- johnisgood 1y ago
  No, that was just an example, for people not wanting to go out. You are free to walk around these areas (just go to Knightsbridge) with an expensive watch to see if it is true or not. Get back to us safely to report. Also... I literally just saw a cop walk past a lady overdosing as if all is fine, and did nothing to the woman who threw a bottle at the YouTuber. Who cares if it is on YouTube or not? I saw it regardless.
  - aembleton 1y ago
    Is an £800 watch sufficiently expensive enough? I've been for a walk and nothing happened.
    - johnisgood 1y ago
      It does not happen at all hours, or on all streets.
  - Hikikomori 1y ago
    They aren't saying that crime doesn't exist, it's down compared to previously. You see how you and others can still experience crime even if it's down? I'm guessing your solutions involve more police and anti immigration. While more social services and better prospects in life is what actually does something about the problem.
  - jama211 1y ago
    You’re acting like an old man who shakes fist at clouds, using their own anecdotal experiences over data in order to confirm your own pre conceived notions. Tale as old as time. What’s sad is you won’t recognise it.

zimpenfish 1y ago

> I haven’t personally noticed London getting any more dangerous over the past 10 years that I’ve lived here. I've been here 26 years this time (and a couple of years before that) and similarly not noticed it getting noticeably more dangerous. (on the caveat side, I am a fairly hefty white bloke who apparently "looks scary" which might explain things.)

selfmodruntime 1y ago

Have you considered that you live in a bubble?

foldr 1y ago
I live in London (Tower Hamlets to be specific). Your profile says that you live in Munich.
- selfmodruntime 1y ago
  Of course, no one who lives in Munich ever dares to venture into London. Silly me!
  - foldr 1y ago
    What makes you so confident that you have a more accurate perception of life in London than its inhabitants? You were very confidently dismissive of my report of my own personal experience, so I was a little surprised to find out that you don't even live here! Let this be a salutary warning to HN readers that a huge amount of baseless nonsense gets written about crime in London.
    - selfmodruntime 1y ago
      I wasn't dismissive at all. I'm just noting that maybe the common HN visitor, which is most likely an academic with the means to live in suburbia or nicer districts, may live in a bubble. I haven't written anything about crime in london. Let this be a salutary warning to HN readers that people get needlessly pissy when you question them about the backgrounds of their experiences.
      - foldr 1y ago
        Ok, to your question: no, I do not live in some kind of upscale zero crime bubble. I live near Mile End station. (And also, where on Earth did you get the idea that academics in London can afford to live in the nice districts, or that most HNers are academics?)