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Saying god doesn't exists, is obviously a sin against god. Not sure how you define atheism if it doesn't include that.

falcor84 1y ago
"gods like to see an atheist around. Gives them something to aim at." Terry Pratchett, Small Gods
graemep 1y ago
> Saying god doesn't exists, is obviously a sin against god. its not obvious to me. I cannot see how an honestly held belief can be a sin. Is it evil to be an atheist because you believe there is no God? Clearly not, so how can you say its a sin?
- 1718627440 1y ago
  When I honestly think you are a murder, is that not insulting to you? When I honestly think I'm entitled to the money in the bank, does that mean I won't be judged? If there are people that are atheists, because they have never heard of anyone telling them about god, then no that is not a sin. I doubt that applies to most people. Most atheists are atheists by choice, not because they wouldn't have access to information about god.
  - boxed 1y ago
    > Most atheists are atheists by choice, not because they wouldn't have access to information about god. That's not choice though. I can't become a believer in god anymore than I can sprout wings. I can't just start believing something false. No one can make a decision to believe something on will alone. That's not how brains work.
    - 1718627440 1y ago
      > That's not choice though. Plain disagree. True, you can not come to believe in god on your own. Neither can god make you believe on his own. You can still pray for it. Mother Teresa famously didn't believed in God's existence for decades. She still didn't became an atheist. > No one can make a decision to believe Yes, you can't. You can make the decision to search however.
      - boxed 1y ago
        You, I mean you singular, can't decide to believe that 1+1=4. You know that it's not to the core of your being. There is literally no choice possible when the facts are in. This is what it's like to be a strong atheist. > Mother Teresa famously didn't believed in God's existence for decades. She still didn't became an atheist. She did become a turturer of the most vulnerable people though. So... yea, I guess that's another type of argument against faith.
        1718627440 1y ago
        Yes of course. (Other than that math expression is a language and I could redefine symbols, but yes I see how it's not about symbols here.) You just can't reason about the cause of reasoning, and the origin of the concept of cause and effect. You can dispute if that origin is more like a person that doesn't care about anything, a person that wants a relationship with you (Christianity/Judaism), a fundamental core concept (pantheism) or randomness (evolutionist). You simply can't just know that. That's why it is a choice. > She did become a turturer What? Ok, I've found a single article by the Guardian about a claim being filed is there any source about whether that is true?
        boxed 1y ago
        > You just can't reason about the cause of reasoning, and the origin of the concept of cause and effect. You can dispute if that origin is more like a person that doesn't care about anything, a person that wants a relationship with you (Christianity/Judaism), a fundamental core concept (pantheism) or randomness (evolutionist). > You simply can't just know that. That's why it is a choice. You either missed the point entirely or are trying to obfuscate the issue. The cause of reason has no bearing at all. Reason and understanding are real things. Actually knowing something means you can't choose to believe the opposite. I can't choose to believe something I know is false. I can't choose to believe the sky is pink, or that rocks are soft, etc. That's nonsense. > Ok, I've found a single article by the Guardian about a claim being filed is there any source about whether that is true? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Missionary_Position:_Mother_Teresa_in_Theory_and_Practice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Missionary_Position:_Mothe... She was a horrible horrible person.

"gods like to see an atheist around. Gives them something to aim at." Terry Pratchett, Small Gods

> Saying god doesn't exists, is obviously a sin against god. its not obvious to me. I cannot see how an honestly held belief can be a sin. Is it evil to be an atheist because you believe there is no God? Clearly not, so how can you say its a sin?

1718627440 1y ago
When I honestly think you are a murder, is that not insulting to you? When I honestly think I'm entitled to the money in the bank, does that mean I won't be judged? If there are people that are atheists, because they have never heard of anyone telling them about god, then no that is not a sin. I doubt that applies to most people. Most atheists are atheists by choice, not because they wouldn't have access to information about god.
- boxed 1y ago
  > Most atheists are atheists by choice, not because they wouldn't have access to information about god. That's not choice though. I can't become a believer in god anymore than I can sprout wings. I can't just start believing something false. No one can make a decision to believe something on will alone. That's not how brains work.
  - 1718627440 1y ago
    > That's not choice though. Plain disagree. True, you can not come to believe in god on your own. Neither can god make you believe on his own. You can still pray for it. Mother Teresa famously didn't believed in God's existence for decades. She still didn't became an atheist. > No one can make a decision to believe Yes, you can't. You can make the decision to search however.
    - boxed 1y ago
      You, I mean you singular, can't decide to believe that 1+1=4. You know that it's not to the core of your being. There is literally no choice possible when the facts are in. This is what it's like to be a strong atheist. > Mother Teresa famously didn't believed in God's existence for decades. She still didn't became an atheist. She did become a turturer of the most vulnerable people though. So... yea, I guess that's another type of argument against faith.
      - 1718627440 1y ago
        Yes of course. (Other than that math expression is a language and I could redefine symbols, but yes I see how it's not about symbols here.) You just can't reason about the cause of reasoning, and the origin of the concept of cause and effect. You can dispute if that origin is more like a person that doesn't care about anything, a person that wants a relationship with you (Christianity/Judaism), a fundamental core concept (pantheism) or randomness (evolutionist). You simply can't just know that. That's why it is a choice. > She did become a turturer What? Ok, I've found a single article by the Guardian about a claim being filed is there any source about whether that is true?
        boxed 1y ago
        > You just can't reason about the cause of reasoning, and the origin of the concept of cause and effect. You can dispute if that origin is more like a person that doesn't care about anything, a person that wants a relationship with you (Christianity/Judaism), a fundamental core concept (pantheism) or randomness (evolutionist). > You simply can't just know that. That's why it is a choice. You either missed the point entirely or are trying to obfuscate the issue. The cause of reason has no bearing at all. Reason and understanding are real things. Actually knowing something means you can't choose to believe the opposite. I can't choose to believe something I know is false. I can't choose to believe the sky is pink, or that rocks are soft, etc. That's nonsense. > Ok, I've found a single article by the Guardian about a claim being filed is there any source about whether that is true? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Missionary_Position:_Mother_Teresa_in_Theory_and_Practice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Missionary_Position:_Mothe... She was a horrible horrible person.