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Yeah, the government that let the strets go rampant with crime, that they don't even bother tracking anymore, is concerned about the people's "online safety"...
by coldtea 1y ago
Yeah, the government that let the strets go rampant with crime, that they don't even bother tracking anymore, is concerned about the people's "online safety"...
- randomNumber7 1y agoThey don't want you to be able to talk about their incompetence or organize protests.
- moffkalast 1y agoThere's a great documentary on the topic, it's called "Yes Minister"
- __loam 1y agoThe idea that the uk is a remotely dangerous country is probably why it's now seeing more and more nanny state laws. It's also probably part of why Brexit happened.
- rapsey 1y agoAny country or city can be made to look safe if crime is not prosecuted or policed.
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- UncleMeat 1y agoThe gold standard are surveys that just ask people "have you been the victim of the following crimes." This does not rely on police at all. This does not rely on a fuzzy definition of violent crime. People are not motivated to over or underreport things. We can further cross check this data against things like insurance reports, since people tend to report things like vehicle theft. People, when asked, report being victims of crime far less today than they did in the 90s.
- jama211 1y agoI always hear this but it seems to mostly be made up? Like yeah, there’s crime in London, but less than in most European or American cities… seems like a narrative that keeps being pushed without merit
- password321 1y agoPotential energy vs kinetic energy. Just because it is not in motion doesn't mean the potential is not there, that's why everyone has Amazon Ring in front of their homes and won't let their kids alone in the park. Relying on police to deter crime or relying on police reports to understand the current crime landscape is beyond naive.
- pjc50 1y agoPotential crime isn't real crime! More importantly, you can't deal with potential crime by making real arrests, because then you have to start arresting people who haven't done anything.
- cs02rm0 1y agoIt's a slightly mixed picture. Knife crime is one area that's been trending up for 10 years now. Shoplifting is at a 20 year high. Fraud is up. Firearms offences are roughly level. But criminal damage is down. Of course, if you call the police for criminal damage, everyone knows they won't turn up and you'll just get a crime number, so unless you're claiming on insurance you're probably less and less likely to report it. We shouldn't be aiming for London (with 200 phones stolen every day as it is) to reach the level of the worst European or American cities.
- iamacyborg 1y ago200 phones a day doesn’t sound like that many given the size of the population and the number of tourists.
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- disruptiveink 1y agoWe have a near perfect system for finding the location of phone thieves, yet the police will not go and knock on the doors of criminals even when explicitly shown proof of "this is where the thief is currently".
- tim333 1y agoYeah it's odd and annoying. I realize the prisons are full but you could fine them £50k and have them pay it off over then next few decades or something.
- vidarh 1y agoPer the Crime Survey for England and Wales - which doesn't depend on "tracking" but on peoples reported experience of crime -, crime is overall at a one of the lowest levels in decades. EDIT: Since there is one (dead) comment on this: To reiterate: The Crime Survey surveys people and tracks the rate of crime people state in a response to a survey that they have experienced. As such it includes crimes that are not reported.
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- GJim 1y agoSeconded. Furthermore, violent crime throughout the entire western world (not just England and Wales) has been dropping from its peak in the mid 1990's. Unfortunately these facts don't fit in with the Daily Mail narrative and what people want to believe.
- selfmodruntime 1y agoThis is only true if you choose a very specific reference frame to fit your narrative. Crime is rising again among western nations since 2015, year after year.
- Lord-Jobo 1y agoRising since 2015, but legitimately barely. Enough to look into and attempt to remedy of course, but nowhere near enough to justify the absolutely unhinged rhetoric constantly being used to justify awful legislation and amoral crackdowns. You can specifically look at people's assumption at violent crime rates charted against actual violent crime rates and see that the gap has never been wider. Also, 1980 to 2025 is not a "very specific time frame" and it still shows the trend described above. Very large cliff in the 90s we are still nowhere near.
- vidarh 1y agoFor England and Wales at least this is not remotely supported by the Crime Survey for England and Wales, which shows levels have mostly continued to drop since 2015 with the exception of a couple of minor upticks, to a level we not seen at any point since the Crime Survey started in 1982.
- thrance 1y agoThis constant fearmongering about crime, which in actuality is way done since the 1990s, is what led to the popularity of this wave of authoritarianism. Stop it at once. https://policinginsight.com/feature/analysis/most-crime-has-fallen-by-90-in-30-years-so-why-does-the-public-think-its-increased/ https://policinginsight.com/feature/analysis/most-crime-has-...
- johnisgood 1y agoI saw these streets. People openly doing drugs, overdosing, no one, including cops care, even if one or two are in the area. Literally a cop walked past by a woman overdosing. No one cares.