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GPT-5 is a joke. Will it matter?
- petesergeant 1y agoThe big, big mistake here was routing, imo. I wanna choose my intelligence level for a question, not have the machine make that decision for me. Sam Altman over-hyping stuff is not new. I have had GPT-5 do some very impressive work for me, I've also had it fall on its ass many times. Also, that gpt-5-nano can't handle the work that gpt-4o-mini could (and is somehow slower?) is also surprising and bad, but they'd really painted themselves into a corner with the version numbers.
- charcircuit 1y agoI think most people will just use whatever is the default instead of manually adjusting it for each query. I think it makes sense to adapt to the user's query since that can more efficiently allocate resources for higher quality results that can be returned to the user faster.
- SchemaLoad 1y agoNot ideal for you maybe but for the average user it's very much an improvement.
- petesergeant 1y ago> for the average user it's very much an improvement what are you basing that on?
- nickthegreek 1y agoI do agree that this will be a big improvement for regular users. But this is a situation where it is trivial to have both. Give the power users complete model control via the selector. Let the default be Auto for normies.
- 827a 1y agoGPT-5 is a product that represents the needs of its users. They have 700M weekly active users, the vast majority of which just want a better google, therapist, life coach, or programming mate; not some superintelligent being that can solve the Riemann hypothesis. The reason why true singularity-level ASI will never happen isn't because the technology cannot support it (though, to be clear: It can't). Its because no one actually wants it. The capital markets will take care of the rest.
- mlyle 1y ago> The reason why true singularity-level ASI will never happen isn't because the technology cannot support it (though, to be clear: It can't). Its because no one actually wants it. Plenty of people want something capable of doing tasks well beyond what GPT-5 can and that are equally capable to a proficient human. If you can do that cheaper or faster or more available than said skilled human, there is definitely a market for it.
- esalman 1y agoNobody will pay them 1.5m bonus for developing ASI though. As much as we hate on meta, open models are the answer.
- 827a 1y agoThe issue is, what you're describing actually doesn't require intelligence, beyond a point. A mathematician who can solve the Reimann hypothesis isn't likely to be all that good of an L8 AWS Engineer; but what AWS would pay a lot of money for is a digital L8 AWS Engineer, not a digital Terrance Tao. The deep reflection that AI frontier labs have to do, soon, is: If its not intellect, what are we missing?
- therein 1y agoIs it just me or is anyone else worried what will happen when the industry realizes LLMs are just not going to be the path to AGI? We are building nuclear power plants, massive datacenters that make our old datacenters look like toys. We are investing literal hundreds of billions into something that is looking more and more likely to flop than succeed. What scares me the most is we are being steered into a sunk cost fallacy. Industry will continue to claim it is just around the corner, more and more infrastructure will be built, even underground water is being rationed in certain places because AI datacenters apparently deserve priority. Are we being forced into a situation where we are invested too much in this to come face to face with it doesn't work and it makes everything worse? What is this capacity being built for? It no longer makes any sense.
- techpineapple 1y ago> Are we being forced into a situation where we are invested too much in this to come face to face with it doesn't work and it makes everything worse? Yes, but don't worry, they're getting close to the government so they'll get bailed out. > What is this capacity being built for? It no longer makes any sense. Give more power to Silicon Valley billionaires.
- tootie 1y agoI honestly wonder how much they even believe their own hype. Altman is a world class circus barker for AI. I seriously doubt his sincerity about anything. Obviously Zuck is putting his money where his mouth is but idk how a data center the size of Manhattan is a means to any useful end. I'm just imagining in 2030 when there is an absolutely massive secondary market for used GPUs.
- Fade_Dance 1y agoI suspect (but obviously can't confirm, although this is a thought I've had before) that they are now much more of a "normal" company than they were before. I doubt the workforce feels like a god-tier supergroup either - after all there are many places you can work as an AI researcher now, and no doubt many of them left to make a startup or take that hundred million dollar zuck paycheck. Which leaves Altman frankly looking increasingly awkward with his revolutionary proclamations. His company just isn't as cool as it used to be anymore. Jobs era Apple was arguably a cooler company.
- EcommerceFlow 1y ago1) Sam said only 7% of PLUS users were using thinking models. This auto-router is probably one of the biggest innovations for "normie use" ever. 2) Maybe I'm biased because I'm using GPT5-Pro for my coding, but so far it's been quite good. Normal thinking mode isn't substantially better than o3 IMO, but that's a limitation of data/search.
- jbellis 1y agoGPT-5 is the best model now for writing code by a significant margin. https://brokk.ai/power-rankings https://brokk.ai/power-rankings
- lvl155 1y agoI don’t know how you can say that with a straight face. It’s simply not the best and by a wide margin. No one doing any significant agentic workflow would consider GPT-5 over Sonnet 4. Not even close.
- ec109685 1y agoHow can you say this about a product that has 700M MAU’s: > As is true with a good many tech companies, especially the giants, in the AI age, OpenAI’s products are no longer primarily aimed at consumers but at investors
- ho_lee_phuk 1y agoIt is a good product. But probably not a great one.
- dse1982 1y agoBecause the users pay an unrealistically low price. You aim for money and right now you make money via the investors and not the users. Would 700M people use it if they had to pay a realistic price? I doubt it.
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- Uehreka 1y agoI used to say that the dumbest conversation about AI was about whether it was “actually intelligent”, but I was wrong: It’s the conversation about whether it’s “overhyped”. Like, I don’t care how much Sam Altman hyped up GPT-5, or how many dumb people fell for it. I figured it was most likely GPT-5 would be a good improvement over GPT-4, but not a huge improvement, because, idk, that’s mostly how these things go? The product and price are fine, the hype is annoying but you can just ignore that. If you feel it’s hard to ignore it, then stop going on LinkedIn. All I want to know is which of these things are useful, what they’re useful for, and what’s the best way to use them in terms of price/performance/privacy tradeoffs.
- zdragnar 1y agoThe problem with the hype is the market distortion for startups looking for funding. I don't know if it improved at all lately, but for awhile it seemed like every startup I could find was the same variation on "healthcare note taking AI".
- djfobbz 1y agoGPT-4 seemed more snappy and faster...my experience with GPT-5 has been nothing short of poor. It takes too much time thinking. I'd rather have a generally good answer really fast than a very good one after 25-35s.
- duxup 1y agoAgreed and I feel like I get the same output with a longer wait.
- PaulStatezny 1y agoI've read plenty of criticism about ChatGPT 5, but as a Plus user I'm surprised nobody has brought this up: Speed. ChatGPT 5 Thinking is So. Much. Slower. than o4-mini and o4-mini-high. Like between 5 and 10 times slower. Am I the only one experiencing this? I understand they were "mini" models, but those were the current-gen thinking models available to Pro. Is GPT 5 Thinking supposed to be beefier and more effective? Because the output feels no better.
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- tetrisgm 1y agoI use it several hours day. 5 is definitely slower. I’m not certain the quality has improved. I do hate that it keeps saying it’ll think even longer and take up to a minute to do stuff.
- cookiengineer 1y agoKind of funny how this article immediately has been removed from the Frontpage and has been flagged. AI bros at work, I guess, and criticism isn't allowed? So I should probably write "All hail OpenAI, hail Hydra"?