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Almost all of the arguments are applicable to ZF2 too. -- "Standalone components". Check. -- "Using by big companies like BBC". Check. -- "Community". Just che

by ayi 14y ago

Almost all of the arguments are applicable to ZF2 too. -- "Standalone components". Check. -- "Using by big companies like BBC". Check. -- "Community". Just check StackOverflow for zend framework. Check. -- "Here to stay". It's the Zend company. Check. -- "Innovations". Just check the source code of ZF2 and be amazed. Check.

agumonkey 14y ago
Is ZF2 rewritten from scratch ? I have a fuzzy memory of ZF1 being quite php4ish in its design.
- ayi 14y ago
  Yes, It's written from scratch but ZF1 wasn't php4ish too. It couldn't even work on PHP4.
  - agumonkey 14y ago
    Ok, I must be confused then, I didn't want to troll.
risratorn 14y ago
That's why he said that he's not trying to discredit other frameworks, he's pointing out the selling points for Symfony2. I like both ZF and Symfony2, they are both very different frameworks and are fun and easy to work with. It's just a matter of personal choice. Fabien deserves some credit for being so open, it's open source, people should use what they like. And if they don't know what to choose it's things like this they should be basing their choice on. I'm waiting for matthew to write the counterpart :)
- ayi 14y ago
  Symfony2 was great and it's still great. It's "the state of the art" for "how a good PHP framework should be". But announcing a minor version upgrade on the same day with a "Omg, i was waiting for this framework for 3 years!!" framework is not cool. It's some kind of "news hijacking". By the way, sorry for my bad english.
  - elliotanderson 14y ago
    Unfortunate timing indeed. To be fair, the final RC's for Symfony2 and ZF2 were announced last week on the 28th and 29th respectively, both with a note stating the final release would be this week. Today was the last chance to release without half the world packing up for the weekend or breaking their promise.
dave1010uk 14y ago
So are there any objective reasons to use (modules from) one over the other (apart from already being familiar with one)?
- ericclemmons 14y ago
  I've used Symfony and ZF2 modules (mostly Zend\Http) together via Composer, but it's really a matter of preference. As a side note, I just switched to using GuzzlePHP for HTTP requests instead of Zend\Http.

by ayi 14y ago

agumonkey 14y ago

Is ZF2 rewritten from scratch ? I have a fuzzy memory of ZF1 being quite php4ish in its design.

ayi 14y ago
Yes, It's written from scratch but ZF1 wasn't php4ish too. It couldn't even work on PHP4.
- agumonkey 14y ago
  Ok, I must be confused then, I didn't want to troll.

risratorn 14y ago

That's why he said that he's not trying to discredit other frameworks, he's pointing out the selling points for Symfony2. I like both ZF and Symfony2, they are both very different frameworks and are fun and easy to work with. It's just a matter of personal choice. Fabien deserves some credit for being so open, it's open source, people should use what they like. And if they don't know what to choose it's things like this they should be basing their choice on. I'm waiting for matthew to write the counterpart :)

ayi 14y ago
Symfony2 was great and it's still great. It's "the state of the art" for "how a good PHP framework should be". But announcing a minor version upgrade on the same day with a "Omg, i was waiting for this framework for 3 years!!" framework is not cool. It's some kind of "news hijacking". By the way, sorry for my bad english.
- elliotanderson 14y ago
  Unfortunate timing indeed. To be fair, the final RC's for Symfony2 and ZF2 were announced last week on the 28th and 29th respectively, both with a note stating the final release would be this week. Today was the last chance to release without half the world packing up for the weekend or breaking their promise.

dave1010uk 14y ago

So are there any objective reasons to use (modules from) one over the other (apart from already being familiar with one)?

ericclemmons 14y ago
I've used Symfony and ZF2 modules (mostly Zend\Http) together via Composer, but it's really a matter of preference. As a side note, I just switched to using GuzzlePHP for HTTP requests instead of Zend\Http.