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> I get about 6 hours of mixed use from my Framework 13, so whenever I suspect that might be a problem, I bring a small 20K mAh Anker battery in the bag, and no

> I get about 6 hours of mixed use from my Framework 13, so whenever I suspect that might be a problem, I bring a small 20K mAh Anker battery in the bag, and now I have double the capacity. That power bank is 1.2lbs, and the laptop is 2.9lbs. Carrying around 4.1lbs ain’t light. Maybe I’m just getting old but I’ve long since moved past thinking it’s ok to be inconvenienced due to what I’d consider a product deficiency. Note: I’m not hating on Framework. I’m assuming this is an inconvenience due to running Linux on the desktop.

hokumguru 1y ago
Purely a Framework issue. There are plenty of Intel Lunar Lake laptops that are ~20hr battery nowadays and competitive with Apple and run Linux quite fine. Framework won't incorporate due to the soldered RAM and AMD isn't power competitive with that yet.
dismalaf 1y ago
Probably a Framework thing, maybe Hyprland doesn't have great power management, dunno. He also got the beefiest APU Framework offers in a laptop so maybe that's it. I have an MSI laptop with an 11th gen Intel chipset and 16inch screen. I run Debian Gnome and get an easy 6 hours of work and 4-5 hours of straight Netflix and nothing about the laptop screams power efficient...
chao- 1y ago
Bad battery life is not an inherent property of Linux. If it were, you wouldn't see so many "smart devices" running flavors of Linux. With respect to laptops, there aren't enough people looking at every SKU, of every manufacturer, and then translating the possible power state combinations of each bus and link and adapter into the config tools preferred by this-or-that single distro. It would require be a massive, more-thankless-than-average undertaking. As a result, the median laptop is not optimized for battery life out of the box, even for distros that do try (to say nothing for those like Arch that intentionally eschew making choices for you). With some tools that allow self-tuning, it's not difficult to get 8-10 hours of battery life on the newest x86 platforms (or more on ARM laptops). However, it isn't done for you. It is an area that desktop Linux needs to invest in improving on behalf of the majority of people, who are less inclined to experiment and tweak.

hokumguru 1y ago

Purely a Framework issue. There are plenty of Intel Lunar Lake laptops that are ~20hr battery nowadays and competitive with Apple and run Linux quite fine. Framework won't incorporate due to the soldered RAM and AMD isn't power competitive with that yet.

dismalaf 1y ago

Probably a Framework thing, maybe Hyprland doesn't have great power management, dunno. He also got the beefiest APU Framework offers in a laptop so maybe that's it. I have an MSI laptop with an 11th gen Intel chipset and 16inch screen. I run Debian Gnome and get an easy 6 hours of work and 4-5 hours of straight Netflix and nothing about the laptop screams power efficient...

chao- 1y ago

Bad battery life is not an inherent property of Linux. If it were, you wouldn't see so many "smart devices" running flavors of Linux. With respect to laptops, there aren't enough people looking at every SKU, of every manufacturer, and then translating the possible power state combinations of each bus and link and adapter into the config tools preferred by this-or-that single distro. It would require be a massive, more-thankless-than-average undertaking. As a result, the median laptop is not optimized for battery life out of the box, even for distros that do try (to say nothing for those like Arch that intentionally eschew making choices for you). With some tools that allow self-tuning, it's not difficult to get 8-10 hours of battery life on the newest x86 platforms (or more on ARM laptops). However, it isn't done for you. It is an area that desktop Linux needs to invest in improving on behalf of the majority of people, who are less inclined to experiment and tweak.