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LIR and resource fees at RIPE are too damn high compared to ARIN. Europe is hurting itself by punishing small entities.

by rmoriz 1y ago

max_ 1y ago
Europe is a serfdom & always has been. Everything is done to prop up the stature of "Lords" (the already big) And sqeeze out or limit the ambition of serfs wanting to reach Lordly status. Its a nice place if you are docile donkey that love's being taken care of by lords and have no personal agency whatsoever.
- ta1243 1y ago
  21st century Lords are the american billionaire class. They don't take care of their serfs though.
- abc123abc123 1y ago
  True. The ambitious brains flee europe, the docile remain and love it. That is why the quality of life in europe is steadily going down, and taxes steadily increasing. In the end, europe will be a historical museum with a tourist economy and nothing else. All industry will have moved to the US and asia. It's sad, but, it is also a valuable lesson for other regions on how not to destryo themselves!
  - cenamus 1y ago
    All industry? Who build more cars, cranes, extreme UV chip machines, the US or the EU? Even up there in nuclear fusion
    - tmn 1y ago
      Their claim was that future industry would move to Asia or us. Comparisons of US to EU for present day do nothing to contradict this claim. I have no take on this claim being true
47282847 1y ago
Annual LIR fees at RIPE are around 2000€, and includes trainings and tickets to meetings. If anything, this serves as a filter for economically unreasonable ventures. Compared to other expenses, even if run purely on volunteer basis (meaning you are donating your time), this seems easily doable.
- immibis 1y ago
  You aren't supposed to be a LIR unless you're serious about reselling RIPE services. You're supposed to get services through some other LIR instead, similar to the relationship between domain registries and registrars. There are many, including several in the hacker community that would be happy to register you for no additional fee beyond the RIPE fee (the 50€/year for registration, not the 2000€/year for being an LIR).
- throwaway63467 1y ago
  It’s even less usually, they reimburse you if they have a surplus, I think I pad around 1.500 € normally.
- weitendorf 1y ago
  I've been doing a moderate amount of research on getting an ASN and ipv4/6 blocks so I can BYOIP and host third-party services without being locked into the cloud provider I was using at the time the third-party configured DNS. That has led me down various rabbit holes in which I started learning how the Internet actually works. IMO the Internet actually sucks ass Why is there so much bureaucracy and cost involved for someone to own an IP address? I should be able to connect to the network and acquire an IP address as easily as I can buy a merckle-tree-backed pointer to an IPFS image, or vote in a US election. Why do I have to pay hundreds of dollars for Internet Numbers conjured from thin air by a US nonprofit to be resold by a RIR? How fucking moronic is it that IPV4 was created with substantially less capacity than there were humans on Earth, got adopted, wasn't immediately fixed or abandoned once it became obvious that the Internet would be used globally, was irresponsibly allocated, introduced various unofficial but consequential practices (eg NAT), ran out and got expensive, and STILL is widely used alongside ipv6. What is the point of having a centralized system for governance centered around ICANN/IANA when they are so wildly inefficient and incapable of governing? Fuck 2000€ these are freaking made up numbers that I should be able to buy for pennies with an email address, government ID, and credit card.

LIR and resource fees at RIPE are too damn high compared to ARIN. Europe is hurting itself by punishing small entities.

by rmoriz 1y ago

LIR and resource fees at RIPE are too damn high compared to ARIN. Europe is hurting itself by punishing small entities.

max_ 1y ago

Europe is a serfdom & always has been. Everything is done to prop up the stature of "Lords" (the already big) And sqeeze out or limit the ambition of serfs wanting to reach Lordly status. Its a nice place if you are docile donkey that love's being taken care of by lords and have no personal agency whatsoever.

ta1243 1y ago
21st century Lords are the american billionaire class. They don't take care of their serfs though.
abc123abc123 1y ago
True. The ambitious brains flee europe, the docile remain and love it. That is why the quality of life in europe is steadily going down, and taxes steadily increasing. In the end, europe will be a historical museum with a tourist economy and nothing else. All industry will have moved to the US and asia. It's sad, but, it is also a valuable lesson for other regions on how not to destryo themselves!
- cenamus 1y ago
  All industry? Who build more cars, cranes, extreme UV chip machines, the US or the EU? Even up there in nuclear fusion
  - tmn 1y ago
    Their claim was that future industry would move to Asia or us. Comparisons of US to EU for present day do nothing to contradict this claim. I have no take on this claim being true

47282847 1y ago

Annual LIR fees at RIPE are around 2000€, and includes trainings and tickets to meetings. If anything, this serves as a filter for economically unreasonable ventures. Compared to other expenses, even if run purely on volunteer basis (meaning you are donating your time), this seems easily doable.

immibis 1y ago
You aren't supposed to be a LIR unless you're serious about reselling RIPE services. You're supposed to get services through some other LIR instead, similar to the relationship between domain registries and registrars. There are many, including several in the hacker community that would be happy to register you for no additional fee beyond the RIPE fee (the 50€/year for registration, not the 2000€/year for being an LIR).
throwaway63467 1y ago
It’s even less usually, they reimburse you if they have a surplus, I think I pad around 1.500 € normally.
weitendorf 1y ago
I've been doing a moderate amount of research on getting an ASN and ipv4/6 blocks so I can BYOIP and host third-party services without being locked into the cloud provider I was using at the time the third-party configured DNS. That has led me down various rabbit holes in which I started learning how the Internet actually works. IMO the Internet actually sucks ass Why is there so much bureaucracy and cost involved for someone to own an IP address? I should be able to connect to the network and acquire an IP address as easily as I can buy a merckle-tree-backed pointer to an IPFS image, or vote in a US election. Why do I have to pay hundreds of dollars for Internet Numbers conjured from thin air by a US nonprofit to be resold by a RIR? How fucking moronic is it that IPV4 was created with substantially less capacity than there were humans on Earth, got adopted, wasn't immediately fixed or abandoned once it became obvious that the Internet would be used globally, was irresponsibly allocated, introduced various unofficial but consequential practices (eg NAT), ran out and got expensive, and STILL is widely used alongside ipv6. What is the point of having a centralized system for governance centered around ICANN/IANA when they are so wildly inefficient and incapable of governing? Fuck 2000€ these are freaking made up numbers that I should be able to buy for pennies with an email address, government ID, and credit card.