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Tariffs wars are the prelude to military wars. Capitalism breeds globalization and then his destruction.

by nahuel0x 1y ago

IAmGraydon 1y ago
>Tariffs wars are the prelude to military wars. You're basing this on what?
- wk_end 1y ago
  Well, the article says: Trade history is too often a sideline reserved for economic historians, yet any effective study of the past four hundred years ought to move it to centre stage, as a prime generator of war and peace, stability and chaos, prosperity and dearth. As Clausewitz might have said, shooting wars are trade wars carried on by other means. Napoleon’s invasion of Russia, for instance, came after the tsar quit the Continental Blockade.
  - IAmGraydon 1y ago
    That entire paragraph suffers from monocausal reductionism. For example, Napoleon's invasion of Russia, while linked to the Continental Blockade, was not purely an economic maneuver. It was equally rooted in geopolitics, prestige, and the shifting balance of power in Europe. That said, besides pasting a paragraph from the linked article, I was asking what causal events you are basing your opinion on. Did you form the opinion solely from the article?
barbazoo 1y ago
> Capitalism breeds globalization and then his destruction. Do we have any precedence for the destruction part?
- thiagoharry 1y ago
  The World Wars? It was after capitalism conquered the entire planet, and the main powers began disputing markets and colonies.
- nahuel0x 1y ago
  The Great War (WWI), before it there was a period that we call now the "First Globalization" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_globalization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_globalization ), then the war erupts after commercial wars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_War_(1906%E2%80%931908) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_War_(1906%E2%80%931908) ) . The killing of Franz Ferdinand was only the excuse, the base were the commercial and imperialist contradictions. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_war and https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d3d514e3459444f34457a6333566d54/index.html https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d3d514e3459444f34457a6333566d54/... WWII was also preceded by tariffs wars.
- lm28469 1y ago
  Besides climate change and the fact that we killed like ~70% of wildlife in less than a hundred years ? Nope
  - barbazoo 1y ago
    I meant precedence for the destruction of a “social system”, obviously I know that we’re destroying the planet. The quote was > Capitalism breeds globalization and then his destruction. Since this is our first capitalism it’s hard to extrapolate what happens at the end.

Tariffs wars are the prelude to military wars. Capitalism breeds globalization and then his destruction.

IAmGraydon 1y ago

>Tariffs wars are the prelude to military wars. You're basing this on what?

wk_end 1y ago
Well, the article says: Trade history is too often a sideline reserved for economic historians, yet any effective study of the past four hundred years ought to move it to centre stage, as a prime generator of war and peace, stability and chaos, prosperity and dearth. As Clausewitz might have said, shooting wars are trade wars carried on by other means. Napoleon’s invasion of Russia, for instance, came after the tsar quit the Continental Blockade.
- IAmGraydon 1y ago
  That entire paragraph suffers from monocausal reductionism. For example, Napoleon's invasion of Russia, while linked to the Continental Blockade, was not purely an economic maneuver. It was equally rooted in geopolitics, prestige, and the shifting balance of power in Europe. That said, besides pasting a paragraph from the linked article, I was asking what causal events you are basing your opinion on. Did you form the opinion solely from the article?

barbazoo 1y ago

> Capitalism breeds globalization and then his destruction. Do we have any precedence for the destruction part?

thiagoharry 1y ago
The World Wars? It was after capitalism conquered the entire planet, and the main powers began disputing markets and colonies.
nahuel0x 1y ago
The Great War (WWI), before it there was a period that we call now the "First Globalization" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_globalization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_globalization ), then the war erupts after commercial wars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_War_(1906%E2%80%931908) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_War_(1906%E2%80%931908) ) . The killing of Franz Ferdinand was only the excuse, the base were the commercial and imperialist contradictions. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_war and https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d3d514e3459444f34457a6333566d54/index.html https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d3d514e3459444f34457a6333566d54/... WWII was also preceded by tariffs wars.
lm28469 1y ago
Besides climate change and the fact that we killed like ~70% of wildlife in less than a hundred years ? Nope
- barbazoo 1y ago
  I meant precedence for the destruction of a “social system”, obviously I know that we’re destroying the planet. The quote was > Capitalism breeds globalization and then his destruction. Since this is our first capitalism it’s hard to extrapolate what happens at the end.