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http://thewebivore.com/why-you-shouldnt-invite-yehuda-katz-to-your-u http://thewebivore.com/why-you-shouldnt-invite-yehuda-katz-t... How ironic is it for this

by csmeder 14y ago

http://thewebivore.com/why-you-shouldnt-invite-yehuda-katz-to-your-u http://thewebivore.com/why-you-shouldnt-invite-yehuda-katz-t... How ironic is it for this person to call out Yehuda and say don't correct people, when that is exactly what she is doing, she is correcting Yehuda. If she followed her own advice she would have wrote the blog post about a "un named" person and maybe waited a few weeks. Instead she is doing exactly what she is advocating against: Publicly telling some one they are wrong...

tylermenezes 14y ago
Read the article. The author is quite explicit that the issue is in the timing - you don't interrupt DURING a presentation. You're being extremely uncharitable.
- protomyth 14y ago
  from the comments: bokmann on twitter I was not the speaker whose demo he redid, but was there with the speaker and had a similar point in my metaprogramming talk. Here is the code from my talk, and a new file named 'yehuda_inspiration.rb' that discusses Yehuda's change to the demo. https://gist.github.com/1893359 https://gist.github.com/1893359 In short, the other presenter was not wrong... he had a piece of code that was stylistically different than what Yehuda would have written (see the 'include vs. extend' comments in that gist. Feel free to read that code example in that gist and make up your own mind. I know first hand the other presenter did not take offense to this - although Yehuda claiming something is wrong when it is solely a style issue is a bit hubris.
przemoc 14y ago
Mind that she's not doing it in "local user group", so it's ok... Leaving advocatus diaboli role, the local user group is especially great place to learn about mistakes and better ways, as embarrassment that hits you is not that big (after all the local group is relatively small, it's rather not hundreds of people) and we all know that no one knows everything, we're all learning for the whole life. If someone is willing to explain me why what I'm doing is wrong or why his way is simply better than mine, I'm all ears. I don't have to agree immediately, we can talk, dwell a little about it, but in the end at least I gain other PoV, that may become even my own later. Well, correcting someone during presentation may seem as not the best time for it, but actually in _local group_ it is the best time. Strike while the iron is hot, otherwise people may commit wrong things to their memory. --- The real problem is much bigger though. I noticed that lot of people cannot endure critique at all, even constructive one (and sometimes especially such one, if they somehow finally accomplished in their lives ways to ignore other types of critique). It's scary, because being criticized by your environment is a natural way of evolution and progress, as we all want to become better (or at least: most of us). Too gentle upbringing enforced in many countries (you cannot even smack your child for doing bad things, etc.) may be part of this spreading narrow and dangerous "delicate" mindset. It's even much worse that many communities (you can find them on internet a lot) disallow comments not resembling praises... Really, do we have to be silent or say/write "awesome", "cool" or "great" in every second sentence, but we cannot say something is wrong, bad, lacking or incomplete as it may harm the presenter/doer/coder? Where this world is going I don't even...

by csmeder 14y ago

tylermenezes 14y ago

Read the article. The author is quite explicit that the issue is in the timing - you don't interrupt DURING a presentation. You're being extremely uncharitable.

protomyth 14y ago
from the comments: bokmann on twitter I was not the speaker whose demo he redid, but was there with the speaker and had a similar point in my metaprogramming talk. Here is the code from my talk, and a new file named 'yehuda_inspiration.rb' that discusses Yehuda's change to the demo. https://gist.github.com/1893359 https://gist.github.com/1893359 In short, the other presenter was not wrong... he had a piece of code that was stylistically different than what Yehuda would have written (see the 'include vs. extend' comments in that gist. Feel free to read that code example in that gist and make up your own mind. I know first hand the other presenter did not take offense to this - although Yehuda claiming something is wrong when it is solely a style issue is a bit hubris.

przemoc 14y ago

Mind that she's not doing it in "local user group", so it's ok... Leaving advocatus diaboli role, the local user group is especially great place to learn about mistakes and better ways, as embarrassment that hits you is not that big (after all the local group is relatively small, it's rather not hundreds of people) and we all know that no one knows everything, we're all learning for the whole life. If someone is willing to explain me why what I'm doing is wrong or why his way is simply better than mine, I'm all ears. I don't have to agree immediately, we can talk, dwell a little about it, but in the end at least I gain other PoV, that may become even my own later. Well, correcting someone during presentation may seem as not the best time for it, but actually in _local group_ it is the best time. Strike while the iron is hot, otherwise people may commit wrong things to their memory. --- The real problem is much bigger though. I noticed that lot of people cannot endure critique at all, even constructive one (and sometimes especially such one, if they somehow finally accomplished in their lives ways to ignore other types of critique). It's scary, because being criticized by your environment is a natural way of evolution and progress, as we all want to become better (or at least: most of us). Too gentle upbringing enforced in many countries (you cannot even smack your child for doing bad things, etc.) may be part of this spreading narrow and dangerous "delicate" mindset. It's even much worse that many communities (you can find them on internet a lot) disallow comments not resembling praises... Really, do we have to be silent or say/write "awesome", "cool" or "great" in every second sentence, but we cannot say something is wrong, bad, lacking or incomplete as it may harm the presenter/doer/coder? Where this world is going I don't even...