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You got a lingering permit? The total lack of welcome in public spaces is palpable. The war against homeless people in the USA has spilled over to the war agai

by foxyv 1y ago

You got a lingering permit? The total lack of welcome in public spaces is palpable. The war against homeless people in the USA has spilled over to the war against public existence. You can't hang out in front of a store and cool off before your ride home without being harassed by some rent-a-cop or even worse, a real one. Benches, shelters, water fountains, public restrooms, and tables have all been removed. Businesses will call the police on you for hanging out in front under a tree.

baggy_trough 1y ago
On the contrary, American cities and towns are far too accepting of antisocial behavior such as littering, vagrancy, and disturbing the peace (not to mention more serious crimes such as drug use and offenses against property). We need far more enforcement and critically punishment for such behavior.
- foxyv 1y ago
  How dare they lay their unwashed bodies upon our streets! Let them eat cake!
  - PaulHoule 1y ago
    Easy to say if you live in the ‘burbs, get all your stuff delivered by Amazon, get food delivery, etc. so you never need to go out in it. It was Ronald Reagan’s neoliberal policy to turn downtowns into open air asylums.
    - foxyv 1y ago
      Sorry I think you mistook my previous comment for a serious attack on the homeless. It was hyperbole to highlight the absurdity of punishing the homeless even more.
  - baggy_trough 1y ago
    If shelter is provided, they damn well better be in it, regardless of whether they will have to be sober, do chores, or obey the rules.
    - foxyv 1y ago
      "Nothing is so hard for those who abound in riches as to conceive how others can be in want." -Jonathan Swift
- PaulHoule 1y ago
  When it comes to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit,_Voice,_and_Loyalty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit,_Voice,_and_Loyalty I went to something like ten conferences in a row in San Francisco and often mentioned to the organizer that the scene was unsafe. At least one conference moved to another venue and it’s been a long time since I went back. Part of the answer is that if cities don’t feel safe people will go to someplace which is safe. The Moscone center is still kept on life support by hometown heroes like Apple and Salesforce.com who might be too worried that their young employees would get in trouble with the hookers, booze and dice if they decamped to Vegas but if Apple moved WWDC to Vegas they probably serve triple the crowd.

by foxyv 1y ago

baggy_trough 1y ago

On the contrary, American cities and towns are far too accepting of antisocial behavior such as littering, vagrancy, and disturbing the peace (not to mention more serious crimes such as drug use and offenses against property). We need far more enforcement and critically punishment for such behavior.

foxyv 1y ago
How dare they lay their unwashed bodies upon our streets! Let them eat cake!
- PaulHoule 1y ago
  Easy to say if you live in the ‘burbs, get all your stuff delivered by Amazon, get food delivery, etc. so you never need to go out in it. It was Ronald Reagan’s neoliberal policy to turn downtowns into open air asylums.
  - foxyv 1y ago
    Sorry I think you mistook my previous comment for a serious attack on the homeless. It was hyperbole to highlight the absurdity of punishing the homeless even more.
- baggy_trough 1y ago
  If shelter is provided, they damn well better be in it, regardless of whether they will have to be sober, do chores, or obey the rules.
  - foxyv 1y ago
    "Nothing is so hard for those who abound in riches as to conceive how others can be in want." -Jonathan Swift
PaulHoule 1y ago
When it comes to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit,_Voice,_and_Loyalty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit,_Voice,_and_Loyalty I went to something like ten conferences in a row in San Francisco and often mentioned to the organizer that the scene was unsafe. At least one conference moved to another venue and it’s been a long time since I went back. Part of the answer is that if cities don’t feel safe people will go to someplace which is safe. The Moscone center is still kept on life support by hometown heroes like Apple and Salesforce.com who might be too worried that their young employees would get in trouble with the hookers, booze and dice if they decamped to Vegas but if Apple moved WWDC to Vegas they probably serve triple the crowd.