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speech is heavily, heavily restricted in the united states, in particular on American social media platforms. there are a massive number of subjects which cann

speech is heavily, heavily restricted in the united states, in particular on American social media platforms. there are a massive number of subjects which cannot be spoken about on social media without risking massive deboosting and the blacklisting of your accounts. this censorship is directed by "former" CIA agents working at all major American social media companies. In other words, this is direct government censorship of private citizens' speech.

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ipython 1y ago
What is “deboosting”? If I own a social media site wouldn’t you argue that I should be able to control what content I “boost” in the first place? Am I forced to compulsory “boost” your content? In which case wouldn’t that mean I am “censoring” the PoV of the social media company? Can you share the topic contents that are subject to your accusations? If you’re able to share them here without fear of government reprisal then I would argue that’s not censorship.
- dkiebd 1y ago
  > If I own a social media site wouldn’t you argue that I should be able to control what content I “boost” in the first place? Am I forced to compulsory “boost” your content? In which case wouldn’t that mean I am “censoring” the PoV of the social media company? That sounds cool as long as you forfeit your Section 230 rights since at that point you’re more of a newspaper than a social network. Yes, I know all social networks do this currently which is why they should all lose their Section 230 rights.
- kelseyfrog 1y ago
  A current example would be Tiktok artificially boosting ice related challenges. Why? Because it makes searching for immigration and customs enforcement content much more difficult to find. It lower the social temperature and stops it from metaphorically boiling over. Is crowding out content censorship? Who knows. If tilting feeds in one direction and away from another has the same effect and isn't censorship because of a definitional technicality, does it really matter?
- pixl97 1y ago
  >If you’re able to share them here without fear of government reprisal then I would argue that’s not censorship I mean, the definition of censorship is far larger than just that, and what you're talking about is it's more extreme form. Moreso you ignore all the modern subtlety and nuance of modern censorship. The government doesn't need to attack you directly, they just tell the large companies that contract with the government they can't do business with companies that do certain things. Or they tell payment processors that businesses that are 'high risk' need to be audited more and will invite more government intervention in which the payment processors just drop said businesses. I mean, if you were on a corner protesting, then the government came in and closed the roads and routed all traffic around you so no one saw you, it would be really sus, right?
  - ipython 1y ago
    I think we are starting to see that under the current administration, yes. But the question was - does it rise to the level that Chinese have? I argue no. I also worry about some sort of policy where a site “must” carry content. That has its own risks as well, which should be obvious.
legitster 1y ago
We're literally on a social media platform right now criticizing the US with publicly available information about US intelligence. What content are you worried would blacklist your account?

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ipython 1y ago

What is “deboosting”? If I own a social media site wouldn’t you argue that I should be able to control what content I “boost” in the first place? Am I forced to compulsory “boost” your content? In which case wouldn’t that mean I am “censoring” the PoV of the social media company? Can you share the topic contents that are subject to your accusations? If you’re able to share them here without fear of government reprisal then I would argue that’s not censorship.

dkiebd 1y ago
> If I own a social media site wouldn’t you argue that I should be able to control what content I “boost” in the first place? Am I forced to compulsory “boost” your content? In which case wouldn’t that mean I am “censoring” the PoV of the social media company? That sounds cool as long as you forfeit your Section 230 rights since at that point you’re more of a newspaper than a social network. Yes, I know all social networks do this currently which is why they should all lose their Section 230 rights.
kelseyfrog 1y ago
A current example would be Tiktok artificially boosting ice related challenges. Why? Because it makes searching for immigration and customs enforcement content much more difficult to find. It lower the social temperature and stops it from metaphorically boiling over. Is crowding out content censorship? Who knows. If tilting feeds in one direction and away from another has the same effect and isn't censorship because of a definitional technicality, does it really matter?
pixl97 1y ago
>If you’re able to share them here without fear of government reprisal then I would argue that’s not censorship I mean, the definition of censorship is far larger than just that, and what you're talking about is it's more extreme form. Moreso you ignore all the modern subtlety and nuance of modern censorship. The government doesn't need to attack you directly, they just tell the large companies that contract with the government they can't do business with companies that do certain things. Or they tell payment processors that businesses that are 'high risk' need to be audited more and will invite more government intervention in which the payment processors just drop said businesses. I mean, if you were on a corner protesting, then the government came in and closed the roads and routed all traffic around you so no one saw you, it would be really sus, right?
- ipython 1y ago
  I think we are starting to see that under the current administration, yes. But the question was - does it rise to the level that Chinese have? I argue no. I also worry about some sort of policy where a site “must” carry content. That has its own risks as well, which should be obvious.

legitster 1y ago

We're literally on a social media platform right now criticizing the US with publicly available information about US intelligence. What content are you worried would blacklist your account?