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>There is no undermining, as everyone living in the cities realizes. I remember that "Defund the Police" is the general mantra of one side of the isle. You ar

>There is no undermining, as everyone living in the cities realizes. I remember that "Defund the Police" is the general mantra of one side of the isle. You aren't paying attention. I stated that I was born and raised in a (major) city, and I still live in an area that many on HN and virtually all bourgeoise urban-bubble people would not live. And so who are you trying to gaslight, exactly? I don't assert that Seattle is perfect, but Seattle is a cakewalk. One of the nicest and per-capita wealthiest cities in the country. But with a sizeable population of bored grown toddlers. A subgroup of whom are professional terrorists, while living in a priveleged city on the World scale. Spare me your faux "urbanite on a walk" homily. The nine months of rioting in 2020 were nine months of partisan terrorism purposefully leading exactly up to an election. Funny that, in the context of those so concerned with democracy. We were terrorized, absolutely. It caused me to think twice about voting at all, out of fear. During one weekend in which police were hamstrung by the mayor in favor of rioters, we had two large bombs go off in my neighborhood. While the power happened to be off for 72 hours. Have you ever felt the deep vibration from a close domestic terrorist bomb in the dark? Twice? How about during election season? Would you like to go into my personal experiences with urban crime? How many gun barrels have you stared down? How many times have you been punched in public by a stranger, while just standing there? How many times did that lead to a full blown street fight, out of self-defense? How many times have you been robbed on the sidewalk? How many friends of yours have been targeted and murdered on the sidewalk? How about while in grade school? Yes, I'm Caucasian. I'm overeducated, including graduating on a full-ride from a school that existed a long time before the United States did. That makes no difference. You deserve a string of derogatory names, but decorum prevents.

Arainach 1y ago
>I remember that "Defund the Police" is the general mantra of one side of the isle. And I remember that that was about focusing police on policing and spending more on having specialists provide social support and the kind of things that prevent crime, which cops aren't trained to do or any good at.
- mrangle 1y ago
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  - saulpw 1y ago
    Not OP, but yes, "defund" meaning to reverse the excessive budgetary increases of the past 5-10 years, which increased militarization of police, alongside increasing qualified immunity precedent. Some people took "Defund The Police" to mean "No Police" (there will always be extremists, sincere or planted), and it turned out to be a terrible slogan for this reason. There's a healthy middle ground in which the police force is reduced to a reasonable level, and other services are funded, so the police with their guns and military training aren't the first responders when e.g. someone is suicidal or spraypainting graffiti. And even if the suicidal person is holding a knife, or it's my house being spraypainted, I don't want the person shot!
    - mrangle 1y ago
      Ok, so still undermining. Got it. Irrelevant babble aside that was already read and refuted with wikipedia information.
nobody9999 1y ago
>Would you like to go into my personal experiences with urban crime? How many gun barrels have you stared down? More than one. >How many times have you been punched in public by a stranger, while just standing there? More than once. >How many times have you been robbed on the sidewalk? Once, as a child because I wasn't paying attention. As a teen? Several attempts on the subway, on the street and other places. As an adult? On the Brooklyn Bridge. So. Where exactly did all this stuff happen to you, eh? I call bullshit on your "horror stories."
- nec4b 1y ago
  Your city doesn't sound very safe as you claim in another comment.
  - nobody9999 1y ago
    >Your city doesn't sound very safe as you claim in another comment. All that stuff was 30-50 years ago. As I mentioned (and linked[0] to statistics), I'm old and things have changed a lot. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44879420 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44879420 Edit: Actually it was 35-50 years ago, but who's counting?
    - nec4b 1y ago
      Actually you have not mentioned it was 35-50 years ago. But thank you clearing it up.
  - nobody9999 1y ago
    >Inflation was high and people had to convert their salaries into German marks the same day they got pay checks, otherwise the money was worthless the next day. Basic goods were unattainable. People had to smuggle coffee, bananas and jeans across the border. Of course if you were a part of the red nobility, your life was easier as you got access to special stores and got to enjoy the fruits of the labor of your fellow equals. And things are, right now, exactly as you described in this comment[0], right? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44850663 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44850663
LeafItAlone 1y ago
>The nine months of rioting in 2020 were nine months of partisan terrorism purposefully leading exactly up to an election. Funny that, in the context of those so concerned with democracy. >We were terrorized, absolutely. It caused me to think twice about voting at all, out of fear. During one weekend in which police were hamstrung by the mayor in favor of rioters, we had two large bombs go off in my neighborhood. While the power happened to be off for 72 hours. Have you ever felt the deep vibration from a close domestic terrorist bomb in the dark? Twice? How about during election season? The only city in the USA that fits that seems to be Oakland. And this seems to be the incident: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_boogaloo_murders https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_boogaloo_murders Would you like to read that carefully?
- michtzik 1y ago
  I did some minimal searching for Seattle and explosions in 2020 and I found plenty of sources reporting on different supposed explosions, at different times and places (within Seattle). Seems perfectly plausible to me. https://mynorthwest.com/local/peaceful-protests-planned-in-seattle-for-george-floyd/1900080 https://mynorthwest.com/local/peaceful-protests-planned-in-s... https://projects.seattletimes.com/2020/local/protest-timeline/ https://projects.seattletimes.com/2020/local/protest-timelin... https://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2020/09/24/police-arrest-13-during-wednesday-night-protest/ https://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2020/09/24/police-arrest-13-d... https://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2020/07/26/officer-injuries-precinct-damage-arrest-updates/ https://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2020/07/26/officer-injuries-p... https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2020/07/28/44178586/so-whats-the-deal-with-that-supposed-explosion-at-the-east-precinct https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2020/07/28/44178586/so-what...
  - LeafItAlone 1y ago
    None of those sources detail anything that I would describe as “two large bombs”. And I can’t find a 72 hour power outage in Seattle in 2020. Can you help me out? mrangle also later said [0] they live “in a major city between Boston and DC”. So they aren’t describing Seattle. (Or actually any city in the US based on what they have shared so far) [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44888781 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44888781
ThrowMeAway1618 1y ago
>Would you like to go into my personal experiences with urban crime? Not really. Maybe you just have really punchable face? Given the diarrhea you're spewing, those traits combined would probably make most people want to beat the crap out of you. Which would explain quite a bit. Hey. Let's be careful out there![0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJDQewSMB-E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJDQewSMB-E

Arainach 1y ago

>I remember that "Defund the Police" is the general mantra of one side of the isle. And I remember that that was about focusing police on policing and spending more on having specialists provide social support and the kind of things that prevent crime, which cops aren't trained to do or any good at.

mrangle 1y ago
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- saulpw 1y ago
  Not OP, but yes, "defund" meaning to reverse the excessive budgetary increases of the past 5-10 years, which increased militarization of police, alongside increasing qualified immunity precedent. Some people took "Defund The Police" to mean "No Police" (there will always be extremists, sincere or planted), and it turned out to be a terrible slogan for this reason. There's a healthy middle ground in which the police force is reduced to a reasonable level, and other services are funded, so the police with their guns and military training aren't the first responders when e.g. someone is suicidal or spraypainting graffiti. And even if the suicidal person is holding a knife, or it's my house being spraypainted, I don't want the person shot!
  - mrangle 1y ago
    Ok, so still undermining. Got it. Irrelevant babble aside that was already read and refuted with wikipedia information.

nobody9999 1y ago

>Would you like to go into my personal experiences with urban crime? How many gun barrels have you stared down? More than one. >How many times have you been punched in public by a stranger, while just standing there? More than once. >How many times have you been robbed on the sidewalk? Once, as a child because I wasn't paying attention. As a teen? Several attempts on the subway, on the street and other places. As an adult? On the Brooklyn Bridge. So. Where exactly did all this stuff happen to you, eh? I call bullshit on your "horror stories."

nec4b 1y ago
Your city doesn't sound very safe as you claim in another comment.
- nobody9999 1y ago
  >Your city doesn't sound very safe as you claim in another comment. All that stuff was 30-50 years ago. As I mentioned (and linked[0] to statistics), I'm old and things have changed a lot. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44879420 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44879420 Edit: Actually it was 35-50 years ago, but who's counting?
  - nec4b 1y ago
    Actually you have not mentioned it was 35-50 years ago. But thank you clearing it up.
- nobody9999 1y ago
  >Inflation was high and people had to convert their salaries into German marks the same day they got pay checks, otherwise the money was worthless the next day. Basic goods were unattainable. People had to smuggle coffee, bananas and jeans across the border. Of course if you were a part of the red nobility, your life was easier as you got access to special stores and got to enjoy the fruits of the labor of your fellow equals. And things are, right now, exactly as you described in this comment[0], right? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44850663 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44850663

LeafItAlone 1y ago

>The nine months of rioting in 2020 were nine months of partisan terrorism purposefully leading exactly up to an election. Funny that, in the context of those so concerned with democracy. >We were terrorized, absolutely. It caused me to think twice about voting at all, out of fear. During one weekend in which police were hamstrung by the mayor in favor of rioters, we had two large bombs go off in my neighborhood. While the power happened to be off for 72 hours. Have you ever felt the deep vibration from a close domestic terrorist bomb in the dark? Twice? How about during election season? The only city in the USA that fits that seems to be Oakland. And this seems to be the incident: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_boogaloo_murders https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_boogaloo_murders Would you like to read that carefully?

michtzik 1y ago
I did some minimal searching for Seattle and explosions in 2020 and I found plenty of sources reporting on different supposed explosions, at different times and places (within Seattle). Seems perfectly plausible to me. https://mynorthwest.com/local/peaceful-protests-planned-in-seattle-for-george-floyd/1900080 https://mynorthwest.com/local/peaceful-protests-planned-in-s... https://projects.seattletimes.com/2020/local/protest-timeline/ https://projects.seattletimes.com/2020/local/protest-timelin... https://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2020/09/24/police-arrest-13-during-wednesday-night-protest/ https://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2020/09/24/police-arrest-13-d... https://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2020/07/26/officer-injuries-precinct-damage-arrest-updates/ https://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2020/07/26/officer-injuries-p... https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2020/07/28/44178586/so-whats-the-deal-with-that-supposed-explosion-at-the-east-precinct https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2020/07/28/44178586/so-what...
- LeafItAlone 1y ago
  None of those sources detail anything that I would describe as “two large bombs”. And I can’t find a 72 hour power outage in Seattle in 2020. Can you help me out? mrangle also later said [0] they live “in a major city between Boston and DC”. So they aren’t describing Seattle. (Or actually any city in the US based on what they have shared so far) [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44888781 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44888781

ThrowMeAway1618 1y ago

>Would you like to go into my personal experiences with urban crime? Not really. Maybe you just have really punchable face? Given the diarrhea you're spewing, those traits combined would probably make most people want to beat the crap out of you. Which would explain quite a bit. Hey. Let's be careful out there![0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJDQewSMB-E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJDQewSMB-E