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If you see "Trust and Safety" it is actually a partnership between major tech companies. It provides guidance on how their TOS / community standards should be d

If you see "Trust and Safety" it is actually a partnership between major tech companies. It provides guidance on how their TOS / community standards should be defined. Twitter was also a member until Elon bought it out. This is where things like policies on misinformation come from (or anything in general really). Every major social media company you can imagine is part of it, Discord, Reddit, Meta, Apple, etc. The part that always concerns me is things like this are ripe for abuse. Whoever controls the partnership potentially controls all major platforms. They'll say you dont have to follow it to the letter, but that doesn't mean some wont. This is also why when reddit changes internal rules Discord follows suit. I am interested in this subject because I've seen Facebook become hostile over the years on specific types of remarks. I actually quit Facebook over its AI moderation, I made a harmless meme / joke comment and it flagged me, and when I appealed, it flagged me. Meanwhile others post much worse and I get dinged for making meme references that harm no one, my what? 50 friends on facebook will read it and not get my reference? I've also seen other platforms shift their policies (a reddit comment section today is a night and day difference from a reddit thread in say 2010). Digital Trust & Safety Partnership website here: https://dtspartnership.org/ https://dtspartnership.org/

jennyholzer 1y ago
does "a partnership between major tech companies" mean "centralized control"?
- giancarlostoro 1y ago
  That's my question after learning about DTS.
- newsclues 1y ago
  Partners are big tech and government (or government staffed and funded 3rd parties).
- potato3732842 1y ago
  It's not "centralized control" in the same way that a closed market with a few players not caring to compete on price isn't a "conspiracy" to keep prices high. Nobody is coordinating, corresponding or otherwise conspiring but everyone is smart enough to know what's good for them.
impossiblefork 1y ago
I think the model actually cares about where you post though, or at least there's some kind of location based standard. I've used Reddit for ages, but recently received two 'account suspensions' both which misrepresented my remarks, one in which the appeal was ignored, the other in which the response to the appeal was a false claim that the remark was a threat. But both happened very soon after I participated in discussions in /r/ukpolitics. I especially think they want to get rid of discussion concerning the proscription of Palestine Action. I don't think it's somebody from there following my comment feed and reporting things but instead something actually automated and part of Reddit itself, because it was rather fast.
- hungmung 1y ago
  > /r/ukpolitics Found your problem.
  - impossiblefork 1y ago
    Yes, but there's a reason I thought a foreign perspective could be useful to them.
ninininino 1y ago
From what I can tell (I have a coworker I get lunch with who works in the Risk & Policy side of TNS at a tech major), it's not necessarily a "here's the top-down orders of what our new policy will be" as much as: 1) the people in this sub-industry role attend conferences and network and make friends and build professional relationships (for job referrals if there are layoffs at one tech co but hiring in the same area at different tech co) 2) at conferences, in group chats (w/ friends made at other companies in previous roles or friends from said conferences), common news events, developments in the field, and trends are discussed and ideas bounced off each other, which means even if there's no top-down order, there's sort of an averaging-effect and consensus building and battle-testing of ideas and approaches 3) there's a revolving door of people who work at one company in this area developing real-utility experience that translates well to working at another, so people move about and policy ideas cross-pollinate and spread. if you plucked someone off the street, even if it helped ideologically diversify the pool, they would truly be less effective as they ramped up and learned. You don't actually need anything nefarious to happen, just an insular, small community with similar educational backgrounds, shared values, etc. Not a lot of Repubs from Alabama decide to attend Barnard and study _relevant_humanities_field_slash_law_ and then join tech to try to fight injustice/CSAM/bias/misinfo/election interference at the right time during ZIRP and then build the resume to then continue to land those roles. These people are all doing what they think is right, they just aren't a super diverse group ideologically and there are social channels that tend to create more cross-brand homogeneity. And even if you disagree with their moderation policy, there are huge, non-controversial areas you never see or think of that they are fighting everyday too (anti-terrorism, anti-suicide, connecting victims to resources, anti-CSAM, etc). Probably the same way in physics departments, String Theorists hire other String Theorists and over time it grows and grows and grows. Or how economists all arrive at modern monetary theory.
- PeterStuer 1y ago
  So you're saying it actually is a cabal?
  - jennyholzer 1y ago
    it's obviously a cabal

jennyholzer 1y ago

does "a partnership between major tech companies" mean "centralized control"?

giancarlostoro 1y ago
That's my question after learning about DTS.
newsclues 1y ago
Partners are big tech and government (or government staffed and funded 3rd parties).
potato3732842 1y ago
It's not "centralized control" in the same way that a closed market with a few players not caring to compete on price isn't a "conspiracy" to keep prices high. Nobody is coordinating, corresponding or otherwise conspiring but everyone is smart enough to know what's good for them.

impossiblefork 1y ago

I think the model actually cares about where you post though, or at least there's some kind of location based standard. I've used Reddit for ages, but recently received two 'account suspensions' both which misrepresented my remarks, one in which the appeal was ignored, the other in which the response to the appeal was a false claim that the remark was a threat. But both happened very soon after I participated in discussions in /r/ukpolitics. I especially think they want to get rid of discussion concerning the proscription of Palestine Action. I don't think it's somebody from there following my comment feed and reporting things but instead something actually automated and part of Reddit itself, because it was rather fast.

hungmung 1y ago
> /r/ukpolitics Found your problem.
- impossiblefork 1y ago
  Yes, but there's a reason I thought a foreign perspective could be useful to them.

ninininino 1y ago

From what I can tell (I have a coworker I get lunch with who works in the Risk & Policy side of TNS at a tech major), it's not necessarily a "here's the top-down orders of what our new policy will be" as much as: 1) the people in this sub-industry role attend conferences and network and make friends and build professional relationships (for job referrals if there are layoffs at one tech co but hiring in the same area at different tech co) 2) at conferences, in group chats (w/ friends made at other companies in previous roles or friends from said conferences), common news events, developments in the field, and trends are discussed and ideas bounced off each other, which means even if there's no top-down order, there's sort of an averaging-effect and consensus building and battle-testing of ideas and approaches 3) there's a revolving door of people who work at one company in this area developing real-utility experience that translates well to working at another, so people move about and policy ideas cross-pollinate and spread. if you plucked someone off the street, even if it helped ideologically diversify the pool, they would truly be less effective as they ramped up and learned. You don't actually need anything nefarious to happen, just an insular, small community with similar educational backgrounds, shared values, etc. Not a lot of Repubs from Alabama decide to attend Barnard and study _relevant_humanities_field_slash_law_ and then join tech to try to fight injustice/CSAM/bias/misinfo/election interference at the right time during ZIRP and then build the resume to then continue to land those roles. These people are all doing what they think is right, they just aren't a super diverse group ideologically and there are social channels that tend to create more cross-brand homogeneity. And even if you disagree with their moderation policy, there are huge, non-controversial areas you never see or think of that they are fighting everyday too (anti-terrorism, anti-suicide, connecting victims to resources, anti-CSAM, etc). Probably the same way in physics departments, String Theorists hire other String Theorists and over time it grows and grows and grows. Or how economists all arrive at modern monetary theory.

PeterStuer 1y ago
So you're saying it actually is a cabal?
- jennyholzer 1y ago
  it's obviously a cabal