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Both can be true. Ostensibly, reducing poverty-related crime would allow resources to be effectively deployed against the remainder.

rayiner 1y ago
There’s no such thing as “poverty related crime.” My dad’s village in Bangladesh is dirt poor, but has very little crime.
- jacquesm 1y ago
  You keep making the weirdest comparisons. What does your dad's village in Bangladesh have to do with crime rates in DC or any other city in the United States? This is just absurd, you're pulling in utterly unrelated factoids - which are anecdata at best and which we are going to have to believe at face value - to supposedly support your point, which if we generously assume that they are true still would not do so.
  - rayiner 1y ago
    I assumed the person asserting that poverty causes crime was generally familiar with the crime statistics for poor countries in asia and africa (Bangladesh being an archetypal poor country in Asia). Specifically, the homicide statistics, which are the most reliable proxy for crime because homicides are well reported even in developing countries. And if you aren’t familiar with the homicide statistics in asia and africa, how can you have an opinion on poverty and crime?
    - beedeebeedee 1y ago
      Wealth disparity drives crime
      - xyzzyz 1y ago
        No, that’s absurd. When poor people kill other poor people, this is not a fault of rich people who happen to live nearby.
        CyberDildonics 1y ago
        They didn't say that at all. They didn't say killing, they didn't say fault and they didn't say anything about people "nearby". Statistically they are right, inequality correlates heavily with crime. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/07/the-stark-relationship-between-income-inequality-and-crime https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/07/the-star...
        xyzzyz 1y ago
        No, the claim was that inequality drives crime, and all you’re showing is correlation. As I’m sure you’re aware, correlation is not causation.
        CyberDildonics 1y ago
        That's fine to say when there is another cause you can identify. For social statistics, most of the time it's people attributing two things together when the underlying cause is money. In this case that's just a rationalization for what you want to be true.
        beedeebeedee 1y ago
        There are too many articles on inequality driving crime. Here's the first that popped up on google: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-80897-8 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-80897-8 Even just applying basic logic to it suggests it is true. You arguing against it is absurd
        xyzzyz 1y ago
        This paper is literally just authors coming up with some model and simulating it, without any real world evidence whatsoever. It’s an argument from fictional evidence. Is this the best you can do?

rayiner 1y ago

There’s no such thing as “poverty related crime.” My dad’s village in Bangladesh is dirt poor, but has very little crime.

jacquesm 1y ago
You keep making the weirdest comparisons. What does your dad's village in Bangladesh have to do with crime rates in DC or any other city in the United States? This is just absurd, you're pulling in utterly unrelated factoids - which are anecdata at best and which we are going to have to believe at face value - to supposedly support your point, which if we generously assume that they are true still would not do so.
- rayiner 1y ago
  I assumed the person asserting that poverty causes crime was generally familiar with the crime statistics for poor countries in asia and africa (Bangladesh being an archetypal poor country in Asia). Specifically, the homicide statistics, which are the most reliable proxy for crime because homicides are well reported even in developing countries. And if you aren’t familiar with the homicide statistics in asia and africa, how can you have an opinion on poverty and crime?
  - beedeebeedee 1y ago
    Wealth disparity drives crime
    - xyzzyz 1y ago
      No, that’s absurd. When poor people kill other poor people, this is not a fault of rich people who happen to live nearby.
      - CyberDildonics 1y ago
        They didn't say that at all. They didn't say killing, they didn't say fault and they didn't say anything about people "nearby". Statistically they are right, inequality correlates heavily with crime. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/07/the-stark-relationship-between-income-inequality-and-crime https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/07/the-star...
        xyzzyz 1y ago
        No, the claim was that inequality drives crime, and all you’re showing is correlation. As I’m sure you’re aware, correlation is not causation.
        CyberDildonics 1y ago
        That's fine to say when there is another cause you can identify. For social statistics, most of the time it's people attributing two things together when the underlying cause is money. In this case that's just a rationalization for what you want to be true.
        beedeebeedee 1y ago
        There are too many articles on inequality driving crime. Here's the first that popped up on google: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-80897-8 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-80897-8 Even just applying basic logic to it suggests it is true. You arguing against it is absurd
        xyzzyz 1y ago
        This paper is literally just authors coming up with some model and simulating it, without any real world evidence whatsoever. It’s an argument from fictional evidence. Is this the best you can do?