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Start your kids onto the path of gambling? No thanks. Better to teach them chess, xiangqi, shogi or go/baduk.

by mna_ 1y ago

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_diyar 1y ago
You can also use it to teach about the risk of gambling and simple probabilities. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- blitzar 1y ago
  Europeans with their sip of wine for kids seems to have a very different outcome to the puritanical US attitude to alcohol and ban until old age.
  - yorwba 1y ago
    Different in the sense that they consume more alcohol? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_c... That it is legal for children to drink under parental supervision also doesn't necessarily mean that parents will allow it, so the legal situation isn't necessarily the deciding factor.
    - RugnirViking 1y ago
      For what it's worth, in both Denmark and the UK, my experience has been that children are indeed allowed it on occasion, often celebrations like Christmas where they will have something like bucks fizz or a little cider or something alongside the adults.
      - kqr 1y ago
        Right, and this leads to greater consumption in life. This has been studied. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0306460317302848 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03064...
        blitzar 1y ago
        France, Italy and Spain are all places I have routinely seen parents offer their children a small glass with dinner, generally from age 12 onward. https://archive.nytimes.com/well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/04/28/do-children-in-france-have-a-healthier-relationship-with-alcohol/ https://archive.nytimes.com/well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/04/2... > greater consumption in life with equivalent or lower alcoholism or alcohol dependency disorders - https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcoholism-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcoholis...
        kqr 1y ago
        > with equivalent or lower alcoholism or alcohol dependency disorders Something something about correlation and causation. I will weigh studies that try to eliminate confounders above population data rife with them.
        blitzar 1y ago
        I didn't use a phrase like "this leads to" and cite a logistic regression.
gwd 1y ago
Life is full of uncertainty. Learning to take calculated risks, where most attempts fail but a few ones pay off big, is an important life skill. Reading other people's behavior to infer hidden information is another one -- Jane Street apparently used to have people learn poker to learn how to infer hidden information from the behavior of other people buying and selling stocks, but invented their own game (https://www.figgie.com/ https://www.figgie.com/) to teach the same skills more efficiently. ETA: I would say, when poker is taught correctly, it should discourage anyone from the sorts of gambling which are problematic: Problem 1: Wasting your money in situations where the odds are "with the house". This would include playing slot machines or basically anything at a casino, the lottery, or even 50/50 raffles (although I can see an exception for the last one). Poker should teach you to only take bets where the expected value (value of winning * prob winning) is greater than the cost, which is not true in the above examples. Problem 2: Getting sucked into betting more and more to make up what you've already lost. One aspect of long-term poker should be teaching you is how to manage this effectively.
nkrisc 1y ago
That’s funny. I’ve played poker but I’ve never gambled a cent in my life. How does that work? Oh yeah, we played poker with plastic chips not backed by any money. We just played for fun.
- AtlasBarfed 1y ago
  Gambling is a huge addiction problem. Your comment is like saying someone that occasionally smokes cocaine isn't addicted so cocaine isn't addictive.
  - jiminymcmoogley 1y ago
    I think a more apt comparison might be that it's like saying an actor who has played roles which involve them pretending to snort cocaine isn't addicted so acting in roles that involve the portrayal of drug use isn't addictive.
  - ta1243 1y ago
    Are they gambling then there is no win or lose?
  - nkrisc 1y ago
    We weren’t gambling. Nobody won or lost anything.
    - thoroughburro 1y ago
      What were the chips for, then? How did you determine a result to the session?
      - bondarchuk 1y ago
        By that measure playing Monopoly is gambling.
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Rastonbury 1y ago
Once kids get familiarity with odds and probability they will soon realise that casino games they have no edge and the house always wins. Also you cannot bluff a casino dealer which is half the fun

Start your kids onto the path of gambling? No thanks. Better to teach them chess, xiangqi, shogi or go/baduk.

by mna_ 1y ago

Start your kids onto the path of gambling? No thanks. Better to teach them chess, xiangqi, shogi or go/baduk.

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_diyar 1y ago

You can also use it to teach about the risk of gambling and simple probabilities. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

blitzar 1y ago
Europeans with their sip of wine for kids seems to have a very different outcome to the puritanical US attitude to alcohol and ban until old age.
- yorwba 1y ago
  Different in the sense that they consume more alcohol? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_c... That it is legal for children to drink under parental supervision also doesn't necessarily mean that parents will allow it, so the legal situation isn't necessarily the deciding factor.
  - RugnirViking 1y ago
    For what it's worth, in both Denmark and the UK, my experience has been that children are indeed allowed it on occasion, often celebrations like Christmas where they will have something like bucks fizz or a little cider or something alongside the adults.
    - kqr 1y ago
      Right, and this leads to greater consumption in life. This has been studied. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0306460317302848 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03064...
      - blitzar 1y ago
        France, Italy and Spain are all places I have routinely seen parents offer their children a small glass with dinner, generally from age 12 onward. https://archive.nytimes.com/well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/04/28/do-children-in-france-have-a-healthier-relationship-with-alcohol/ https://archive.nytimes.com/well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/04/2... > greater consumption in life with equivalent or lower alcoholism or alcohol dependency disorders - https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcoholism-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcoholis...
        kqr 1y ago
        > with equivalent or lower alcoholism or alcohol dependency disorders Something something about correlation and causation. I will weigh studies that try to eliminate confounders above population data rife with them.
        blitzar 1y ago
        I didn't use a phrase like "this leads to" and cite a logistic regression.

gwd 1y ago

Life is full of uncertainty. Learning to take calculated risks, where most attempts fail but a few ones pay off big, is an important life skill. Reading other people's behavior to infer hidden information is another one -- Jane Street apparently used to have people learn poker to learn how to infer hidden information from the behavior of other people buying and selling stocks, but invented their own game (https://www.figgie.com/ https://www.figgie.com/) to teach the same skills more efficiently. ETA: I would say, when poker is taught correctly, it should discourage anyone from the sorts of gambling which are problematic: Problem 1: Wasting your money in situations where the odds are "with the house". This would include playing slot machines or basically anything at a casino, the lottery, or even 50/50 raffles (although I can see an exception for the last one). Poker should teach you to only take bets where the expected value (value of winning * prob winning) is greater than the cost, which is not true in the above examples. Problem 2: Getting sucked into betting more and more to make up what you've already lost. One aspect of long-term poker should be teaching you is how to manage this effectively.

nkrisc 1y ago

That’s funny. I’ve played poker but I’ve never gambled a cent in my life. How does that work? Oh yeah, we played poker with plastic chips not backed by any money. We just played for fun.

AtlasBarfed 1y ago
Gambling is a huge addiction problem. Your comment is like saying someone that occasionally smokes cocaine isn't addicted so cocaine isn't addictive.
- jiminymcmoogley 1y ago
  I think a more apt comparison might be that it's like saying an actor who has played roles which involve them pretending to snort cocaine isn't addicted so acting in roles that involve the portrayal of drug use isn't addictive.
- ta1243 1y ago
  Are they gambling then there is no win or lose?
- nkrisc 1y ago
  We weren’t gambling. Nobody won or lost anything.
  - thoroughburro 1y ago
    What were the chips for, then? How did you determine a result to the session?
    - bondarchuk 1y ago
      By that measure playing Monopoly is gambling.
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Rastonbury 1y ago

Once kids get familiarity with odds and probability they will soon realise that casino games they have no edge and the house always wins. Also you cannot bluff a casino dealer which is half the fun