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>The welfare states of Europe are unlikely to keep working much longer if too many people start moving there in order to benefit from them. I'm not proposing e

>The welfare states of Europe are unlikely to keep working much longer if too many people start moving there in order to benefit from them. I'm not proposing everyone to move. :) Besides, immigration crises are costly, but long-term effects of immigration are positive. It's not the migration itself is evil, it's how fast and why people move. >Socialism demands that you work for others at no benefit to yourself. Some results of your work will always be owned by others at no benefit to yourself. Socialism is not unique here. It also does not demand that all your work is for others (by definition, working people are supposed to be primary beneficiaries). >Socialism seeks to force the costs of it upon everyone whether they want it or not, turning it into a burden It is not unique property of socialism. Only in anarchy this is not happening, all other systems with a government do that. You pay taxes no matter what. >Are landlords not responsible for the maintenance of the property? They are incentivized to spend as less as possible on it to maximize profits and they won't spend more than you pay, so effectively they are just redistributing some share of your money towards maintenance.

matheusmoreira 1y ago
> Some results of your work will always be owned by others at no benefit to yourself. Businesses provide plenty of benefits in return for the value they capture. I work for well managed companies that let me just show up, do my job, go home and get paid. Anyone who wants to capture the full value can just start their own company and handle everything by themselves. I've done that too. It's liberating and at the same time a huge pain in the ass. This is a perfectly good tradeoff to make. > You pay taxes no matter what. We pay taxes so the government can build useful infrastructure and handle all the natural monopolies. We want our tax money to be converted into useful services like fire departments and police forces. We don't want governments literally giving away our money to people in the form of welfare checks. This is just politicians using our money to buy votes.

matheusmoreira 1y ago

> Some results of your work will always be owned by others at no benefit to yourself. Businesses provide plenty of benefits in return for the value they capture. I work for well managed companies that let me just show up, do my job, go home and get paid. Anyone who wants to capture the full value can just start their own company and handle everything by themselves. I've done that too. It's liberating and at the same time a huge pain in the ass. This is a perfectly good tradeoff to make. > You pay taxes no matter what. We pay taxes so the government can build useful infrastructure and handle all the natural monopolies. We want our tax money to be converted into useful services like fire departments and police forces. We don't want governments literally giving away our money to people in the form of welfare checks. This is just politicians using our money to buy votes.