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Why would he call the guard on people he sent there?

lenkite 1y ago
It was Pelosi's call and she denied the request from the Chief at the time https://x.com/ChiefSund/status/1954975181106970823 https://x.com/ChiefSund/status/1954975181106970823
- LatteLazy 1y ago
  Ummm, the law cited by the Chief clearly states the guard can be called to assist by the senate sergeant at arms OR the house sergeant at arms OR the Capitol Police board. Pelosi didn’t do it. But she wasn’t responsible for doing it, and the board Mr Sund chaired could have done it themselves much faster. And all of this is just what they are allowed. It did not stop trump from doing his job. Which he didn’t… https://policy.defense.gov/portals/11/Documents/hdasa/references/2_USC_1970.pdf https://policy.defense.gov/portals/11/Documents/hdasa/refere... Provision of assistance Assistance under this section shall be provided - (A) consistent with the authority of the Capitol Police under sections 1961 and 1966 of this title; (B) upon the advance written request of - (i) the Capitol Police Board; or (ii) in an emergency - (I) the Sergeant at Arms and Doorkeeper of the Senate in any matter relating to the Senate; or (II) the Sergeant at Arms of the House of Representatives in any matter relating to the House of Representatives; and (C)(i) on a temporary and reimbursable basis; (ii) on a permanent reimbursable basis upon advance written request of the Capitol Police Board; or (iii) on a temporary basis without reimbursement by the Department of Defense and the Coast Guard as described under paragraph (1)
  - lenkite 1y ago
    Thanks, but did you read what you wrote ? You seem to be actually supporting the argument that the Chief cannot unilaterally act by himself, especially when Pelosi's Sergeant At Arms denied his request - several times. That would mean treason on his part if he overruled the Sergeant. https://cha.house.gov/2024/8/new-obtained-hbo-footage-shows-pelosi-again-taking-responsibility-for-capitol-security-on-january-6 https://cha.house.gov/2024/8/new-obtained-hbo-footage-shows-...
- valleyer 1y ago
  The statute Mr. Sund cites (2 U.S.C. § 1970) specifically says that the National Guard can provide support to the US Capitol Police in an emergency if approved by "the Chief of the Capitol Police, if the Chief of the Capitol Police has determined that the provision of assistance is necessary to prevent the significant disruption of governmental function and public order within the United States Capitol Buildings and Grounds". Mr. Sund was the chief of the Capitol Police that day.
  - KevinMS 1y ago
    > in an emergency any effective deployment would have had to occur ahead of time, when it would not have been considered an emergency
  - lenkite 1y ago
    Yes, but he didn't have authority under the statute because the Sergeant at Arms rejected approval. He called the Sergeant several times. How could he overrule the Sergeant ? That would mean treason - he would be thrown under the bus and spend a decade-plus in jail. Also Pelosi herself explicitly took responsibility for not granting approval for the National Guard. She is herself on video stating this.
- tootie 1y ago
  The point of this entire thread is that Trump is unilaterally deploying the guard right now with no one else's approval or even consent.

It was Pelosi's call and she denied the request from the Chief at the time https://x.com/ChiefSund/status/1954975181106970823 https://x.com/ChiefSund/status/1954975181106970823

LatteLazy 1y ago
Ummm, the law cited by the Chief clearly states the guard can be called to assist by the senate sergeant at arms OR the house sergeant at arms OR the Capitol Police board. Pelosi didn’t do it. But she wasn’t responsible for doing it, and the board Mr Sund chaired could have done it themselves much faster. And all of this is just what they are allowed. It did not stop trump from doing his job. Which he didn’t… https://policy.defense.gov/portals/11/Documents/hdasa/references/2_USC_1970.pdf https://policy.defense.gov/portals/11/Documents/hdasa/refere... Provision of assistance Assistance under this section shall be provided - (A) consistent with the authority of the Capitol Police under sections 1961 and 1966 of this title; (B) upon the advance written request of - (i) the Capitol Police Board; or (ii) in an emergency - (I) the Sergeant at Arms and Doorkeeper of the Senate in any matter relating to the Senate; or (II) the Sergeant at Arms of the House of Representatives in any matter relating to the House of Representatives; and (C)(i) on a temporary and reimbursable basis; (ii) on a permanent reimbursable basis upon advance written request of the Capitol Police Board; or (iii) on a temporary basis without reimbursement by the Department of Defense and the Coast Guard as described under paragraph (1)
- lenkite 1y ago
  Thanks, but did you read what you wrote ? You seem to be actually supporting the argument that the Chief cannot unilaterally act by himself, especially when Pelosi's Sergeant At Arms denied his request - several times. That would mean treason on his part if he overruled the Sergeant. https://cha.house.gov/2024/8/new-obtained-hbo-footage-shows-pelosi-again-taking-responsibility-for-capitol-security-on-january-6 https://cha.house.gov/2024/8/new-obtained-hbo-footage-shows-...
valleyer 1y ago
The statute Mr. Sund cites (2 U.S.C. § 1970) specifically says that the National Guard can provide support to the US Capitol Police in an emergency if approved by "the Chief of the Capitol Police, if the Chief of the Capitol Police has determined that the provision of assistance is necessary to prevent the significant disruption of governmental function and public order within the United States Capitol Buildings and Grounds". Mr. Sund was the chief of the Capitol Police that day.
- KevinMS 1y ago
  > in an emergency any effective deployment would have had to occur ahead of time, when it would not have been considered an emergency
- lenkite 1y ago
  Yes, but he didn't have authority under the statute because the Sergeant at Arms rejected approval. He called the Sergeant several times. How could he overrule the Sergeant ? That would mean treason - he would be thrown under the bus and spend a decade-plus in jail. Also Pelosi herself explicitly took responsibility for not granting approval for the National Guard. She is herself on video stating this.
tootie 1y ago
The point of this entire thread is that Trump is unilaterally deploying the guard right now with no one else's approval or even consent.