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Very nice to see that this project is hand-crafted and not AI-generated like 99% of the submissions here So, congrats on your release.

by rvnx 1y ago

danterolle 1y ago
Thanks! Although I had to use it for some things (like the logo, for example, and I’m not a "graphic guy"), in the end, since it’s a simple project by design, I didn’t mind, and the result isn’t bad at all.
llbbdd 1y ago
Genuinely why do you care?
- SanitaryThinkin 1y ago
  This may not be entirely the right metaphor but I kinda see it as the difference between fast food, a top rated restaurant, and home made cooking —with fast food being AI. Generic, does the job, not the highest quality, bleak, fast repetitious output
  - robertlagrant 1y ago
    While I agree, because I like writing code, I do wonder if this is how assembly writers felt when automated compilation started to take off.
    - dvfjsdhgfv 1y ago
      I don't want to be Captain Obvious, but it wasn't like there was a long era of assembly computing, and then it was stopped being used as higher-level languages took over. To put thing in perspective, Fortran was invented in 1954, Lisp 4 years later. In the following decades, the assembly language was being used along in various ways. And it is still being used in certain applications.
      - robertlagrant 1y ago
        Yeah, I wasn't saying anything things suddenly dying out.
  - wiseowise 1y ago
    It literally doesn't matter, if your product sucks. Only end result for the user matters.
    - SkyeCA 1y ago
      It matters to me. If it doesn't matter to you? That's fine and you are fully entitled to that view. Asking tech people not to care more about the software they use than the average person seems pointless though.
  - itsoktocry 1y ago
    >not the highest quality I bet AI writes better code than 80% of developers out there. But all developers think they are in the 20%.
- hombre_fatal 1y ago
  Because we are a forum of craftspeople. The Show HN system is a good faith system for showing something that you built and can presumably engage with us about what you built. We want to engage with the person who engineered the thing, not someone who is just going to pipe our feedback into an LLM and see what pops out. Just like I'd consider it deceptive if it turned out that HN populated the comments with an LLM. I want to engage with humans using their own brain. That said, I would also consider it acceptable if you mentioned that your Show HN was vibe-coded if it were. But consider the vibe shift (pun) that would happen. We'd be curious about your vibe-code workflow and the experience of vibe-coding it if it was impressive, not necessarily curious about the thing the LLM built because that part isn't necessarily interesting anymore. Finally, it's inevitable that these lines will quickly blur over time as AI becomes increasingly centerpiece in our lives. But in this transitionary phase so far, it kinda feels like you've been actually playing on a bot server in Quake 3 when you catch yourself admiring something that you thought the OP made: it's not rewarding to realize you're just stomping bots that you thought were human.
ofrzeta 1y ago
When I clicked I already thought about the comments that ask "is this vibe coded". So I kind of asked myself that question. As someone who manually codes as well as experiments with AI-assisted coding I ask myself what attitude we should develop towards AI-assisted coding in the long run. Right now on HN it almost seems like "AI shaming" at work. If you post a project that's a result of using AI you can expect a lot of critique around here. While I understand that to a certain extent I guess we also need to overcome that sentiment. After all we don't blame people using IDEs, code completion or other tools that have become the norm.
- globular-toast 1y ago
  If I can tell something is "vibe coded", that means it's bad. It doesn't matter what tools people use as long as the output is good. Vibe coding smells include: 1. Tons of pointless comments outlining trivial low-level behaviour, 2. No understanding of abstraction levels, 3. No real architecture at all, 4. Not DRY, no helper functions or inconsistent use of said functions across project, 5. Way too many lines of code. None of these are shaming for use of any particular tool, they are just shaming the output.
  - ofrzeta 1y ago
    Ok, let's better not talk about "vibe coding" because we don't really have definition of what it means. "Historically" it means "just letting the AI code without looking at its output" while I often see people that are more diligently using AI using it kind of tongue in cheek. My mistake using the expression in the latter way.
- latexr 1y ago
  > After all we don't blame people using IDEs, code completion or other tools that have become the norm. Because those don’t have the same issues. It’s not like IDEs, LSPs, and other tools were the target of warranted criticism and then we stopped. Rather, they never received this kind of backlash in the first place. No IDE has ever caused millions of people absolutely unrelated to it to have to ration water. https://archive.ph/20250731222011/https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/us/texas-ai-data-centers-water-usage-texas-ai-centers-guzzle-463-million-gallons-now-residents-are-asked-to-cut-back-on-showers-ai-news/articleshow/122983253.cms https://archive.ph/20250731222011/https://m.economictimes.co... To use an exaggerated analogy, it’s like saying “people are complaining about arsenic being added to food but we need to overcome that sentiment, after all we don’t blame people adding salt and pepper which have become the norm”.
vnhrmth 1y ago
It's really odd now that we look for more human code rather than AI Generated code, and I think this is going to be increasing in every form of data that's out there.

Very nice to see that this project is hand-crafted and not AI-generated like 99% of the submissions here So, congrats on your release.

by rvnx 1y ago

Very nice to see that this project is hand-crafted and not AI-generated like 99% of the submissions here So, congrats on your release.

danterolle 1y ago

Thanks! Although I had to use it for some things (like the logo, for example, and I’m not a "graphic guy"), in the end, since it’s a simple project by design, I didn’t mind, and the result isn’t bad at all.

llbbdd 1y ago

Genuinely why do you care?

SanitaryThinkin 1y ago
This may not be entirely the right metaphor but I kinda see it as the difference between fast food, a top rated restaurant, and home made cooking —with fast food being AI. Generic, does the job, not the highest quality, bleak, fast repetitious output
- robertlagrant 1y ago
  While I agree, because I like writing code, I do wonder if this is how assembly writers felt when automated compilation started to take off.
  - dvfjsdhgfv 1y ago
    I don't want to be Captain Obvious, but it wasn't like there was a long era of assembly computing, and then it was stopped being used as higher-level languages took over. To put thing in perspective, Fortran was invented in 1954, Lisp 4 years later. In the following decades, the assembly language was being used along in various ways. And it is still being used in certain applications.
    - robertlagrant 1y ago
      Yeah, I wasn't saying anything things suddenly dying out.
- wiseowise 1y ago
  It literally doesn't matter, if your product sucks. Only end result for the user matters.
  - SkyeCA 1y ago
    It matters to me. If it doesn't matter to you? That's fine and you are fully entitled to that view. Asking tech people not to care more about the software they use than the average person seems pointless though.
- itsoktocry 1y ago
  >not the highest quality I bet AI writes better code than 80% of developers out there. But all developers think they are in the 20%.
hombre_fatal 1y ago
Because we are a forum of craftspeople. The Show HN system is a good faith system for showing something that you built and can presumably engage with us about what you built. We want to engage with the person who engineered the thing, not someone who is just going to pipe our feedback into an LLM and see what pops out. Just like I'd consider it deceptive if it turned out that HN populated the comments with an LLM. I want to engage with humans using their own brain. That said, I would also consider it acceptable if you mentioned that your Show HN was vibe-coded if it were. But consider the vibe shift (pun) that would happen. We'd be curious about your vibe-code workflow and the experience of vibe-coding it if it was impressive, not necessarily curious about the thing the LLM built because that part isn't necessarily interesting anymore. Finally, it's inevitable that these lines will quickly blur over time as AI becomes increasingly centerpiece in our lives. But in this transitionary phase so far, it kinda feels like you've been actually playing on a bot server in Quake 3 when you catch yourself admiring something that you thought the OP made: it's not rewarding to realize you're just stomping bots that you thought were human.

ofrzeta 1y ago

When I clicked I already thought about the comments that ask "is this vibe coded". So I kind of asked myself that question. As someone who manually codes as well as experiments with AI-assisted coding I ask myself what attitude we should develop towards AI-assisted coding in the long run. Right now on HN it almost seems like "AI shaming" at work. If you post a project that's a result of using AI you can expect a lot of critique around here. While I understand that to a certain extent I guess we also need to overcome that sentiment. After all we don't blame people using IDEs, code completion or other tools that have become the norm.

globular-toast 1y ago
If I can tell something is "vibe coded", that means it's bad. It doesn't matter what tools people use as long as the output is good. Vibe coding smells include: 1. Tons of pointless comments outlining trivial low-level behaviour, 2. No understanding of abstraction levels, 3. No real architecture at all, 4. Not DRY, no helper functions or inconsistent use of said functions across project, 5. Way too many lines of code. None of these are shaming for use of any particular tool, they are just shaming the output.
- ofrzeta 1y ago
  Ok, let's better not talk about "vibe coding" because we don't really have definition of what it means. "Historically" it means "just letting the AI code without looking at its output" while I often see people that are more diligently using AI using it kind of tongue in cheek. My mistake using the expression in the latter way.
latexr 1y ago
> After all we don't blame people using IDEs, code completion or other tools that have become the norm. Because those don’t have the same issues. It’s not like IDEs, LSPs, and other tools were the target of warranted criticism and then we stopped. Rather, they never received this kind of backlash in the first place. No IDE has ever caused millions of people absolutely unrelated to it to have to ration water. https://archive.ph/20250731222011/https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/us/texas-ai-data-centers-water-usage-texas-ai-centers-guzzle-463-million-gallons-now-residents-are-asked-to-cut-back-on-showers-ai-news/articleshow/122983253.cms https://archive.ph/20250731222011/https://m.economictimes.co... To use an exaggerated analogy, it’s like saying “people are complaining about arsenic being added to food but we need to overcome that sentiment, after all we don’t blame people adding salt and pepper which have become the norm”.

vnhrmth 1y ago

It's really odd now that we look for more human code rather than AI Generated code, and I think this is going to be increasing in every form of data that's out there.