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Haven't installed an app in ages, but seeing an ad in a store isn't as bad as seeing an ad in my app launcher. And yes, windows puts ads in the start menu.

LtWorf 1y ago
The store is part of the OS… if you say "no ads" and just exclude ads… that's kinda on you.
- fc417fc802 1y ago
  I mean yes, technically, but really no that's clearly not what was being objected to. Finding adds in arbitrary interfaces seems dystopian to me. Whereas having a discreet "suggested" or "promoted" tab or bracket for software in the app store - the place I go to get software - doesn't bother me. There are certainly ways they could screw it up but they don't seem to have done so yet. Also as it happens I don't even see those because I exclusively use FDroid at this point. So ironically I see no ads when using a device designed and sold by an advertising company and haven't for years.
- Sharlin 1y ago
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- rpdillon 1y ago
  I install apps all the time without seeing an ad, because 90% of the apps I use are installed from F-Droid. The apps I install from F-Droid often help me block ads in my browser, so I see very few ads as I use my phone day to day. Meanwhile, my understanding is that Apple's App Store has ads in it, but that's the only app store allowed. So it seems like maybe iOS is the one that "has ads in the operating system".
  - LtWorf 1y ago
    fdroid is not part of android.
    - rpdillon 1y ago
      Right. But the query was whether I can install an app on Android without seeing ads. I can. > Try installing 1 app without seeing ads for 10 other useless apps.
      - LtWorf 1y ago
        Not at all. The claim was that there are no ads on android. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44869520 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44869520
        rpdillon 1y ago
        Yeah, I'm not responding to that. I'm responding to your much weaker follow-up that I already quoted.
        LtWorf 1y ago
        So you're replying ignoring context? Ok but discussions become kinda meaningless in this way.
        rpdillon 1y ago
        Look, there are lots of us using Android and not seeing any ads. So we want to speak up when folks blab on about ads on Android. In reality, iOS and Windows and Android all have ads in their marketplace. So if you want to have a substantive discussion, it should be centered around the places in the OS where ads are present, whether competing products have ads in similar locations in their OS, and whether those ads can be avoided, both on Android and on other platforms. My contention is that Android ads are overblown, and generally Android has ads in all the same ways iOS does, and not any more than that. There are of customized versions of Android that add various anti-features, but that's not what I'm focusing on here: I'm focusing on a user's ability to avoid advertising. But I'm arguing in good faith, and putting in effort to focus on the substantive user experience. I get the feeling you're in this to win some semantic battle with low-effort replies, so I'm going to disengage.
LtWorf 1y ago
> Haven't installed an app in ages I haven't used a phone in 10 years and surprisingly I haven't seen any ads on phones for years!
tracker1 1y ago
I was an insider user of Windows for close to a decade... the first time I saw an ad in the start menu search results, that's when I changed my default drive to Linux and have not looked back. I booted to windows on that system twice since (firmware updater). I don't have a Windows drive on my current desktop at all, and my personal laptop is a Macbook. My work laptop is Windows though, the down side is the environment is so locked down, I can't even run WSL or Docker.

LtWorf 1y ago

The store is part of the OS… if you say "no ads" and just exclude ads… that's kinda on you.

fc417fc802 1y ago
I mean yes, technically, but really no that's clearly not what was being objected to. Finding adds in arbitrary interfaces seems dystopian to me. Whereas having a discreet "suggested" or "promoted" tab or bracket for software in the app store - the place I go to get software - doesn't bother me. There are certainly ways they could screw it up but they don't seem to have done so yet. Also as it happens I don't even see those because I exclusively use FDroid at this point. So ironically I see no ads when using a device designed and sold by an advertising company and haven't for years.
Sharlin 1y ago
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rpdillon 1y ago
I install apps all the time without seeing an ad, because 90% of the apps I use are installed from F-Droid. The apps I install from F-Droid often help me block ads in my browser, so I see very few ads as I use my phone day to day. Meanwhile, my understanding is that Apple's App Store has ads in it, but that's the only app store allowed. So it seems like maybe iOS is the one that "has ads in the operating system".
- LtWorf 1y ago
  fdroid is not part of android.
  - rpdillon 1y ago
    Right. But the query was whether I can install an app on Android without seeing ads. I can. > Try installing 1 app without seeing ads for 10 other useless apps.
    - LtWorf 1y ago
      Not at all. The claim was that there are no ads on android. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44869520 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44869520
      - rpdillon 1y ago
        Yeah, I'm not responding to that. I'm responding to your much weaker follow-up that I already quoted.
        LtWorf 1y ago
        So you're replying ignoring context? Ok but discussions become kinda meaningless in this way.
        rpdillon 1y ago
        Look, there are lots of us using Android and not seeing any ads. So we want to speak up when folks blab on about ads on Android. In reality, iOS and Windows and Android all have ads in their marketplace. So if you want to have a substantive discussion, it should be centered around the places in the OS where ads are present, whether competing products have ads in similar locations in their OS, and whether those ads can be avoided, both on Android and on other platforms. My contention is that Android ads are overblown, and generally Android has ads in all the same ways iOS does, and not any more than that. There are of customized versions of Android that add various anti-features, but that's not what I'm focusing on here: I'm focusing on a user's ability to avoid advertising. But I'm arguing in good faith, and putting in effort to focus on the substantive user experience. I get the feeling you're in this to win some semantic battle with low-effort replies, so I'm going to disengage.

LtWorf 1y ago

> Haven't installed an app in ages I haven't used a phone in 10 years and surprisingly I haven't seen any ads on phones for years!

tracker1 1y ago

I was an insider user of Windows for close to a decade... the first time I saw an ad in the start menu search results, that's when I changed my default drive to Linux and have not looked back. I booted to windows on that system twice since (firmware updater). I don't have a Windows drive on my current desktop at all, and my personal laptop is a Macbook. My work laptop is Windows though, the down side is the environment is so locked down, I can't even run WSL or Docker.