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The OP said that Israel is not a target of terror attacks.

cogman10 1y ago
Sure, I don't agree with that assessment, but I get where it comes from. I find the "what-about"ism somewhat tiring at this point. What Israel is currently doing is unconscionable. This is really not unlike trying to criticize the war crimes committed during the Warsaw uprising or the actions of John Brown. Were they wrong? Yes. Were they understandable? Absolutely. Bringing them up whenever someone brings up the actions of the Nazis or the slave owners is what's problematic. It tries to strip away the humanity of people that are being slaughtered in order to justify the slaughtering.
- halflife 1y ago
  I pointed out the error in his post, everybody else is “what-about”ing at me in response.
  - cogman10 1y ago
    K. Did you need to point out that error? You can see why we'd read your response as running cover for a state actively committing genocide, right?
    - halflife 1y ago
      Yeah I did. I have friends that lost family from these terror attacks. Twice while on a date with my wife at our local bar we had to flee because of a Palestinian started shooting random people in the street. I had the luck to have a birthday party cancelled at this location on this date https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphinarium_discotheque_bombing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphinarium_discotheque_bom... So having a random person on the internet explicitly lying about these experiences and having other people upvoting him kind of grinds my gears.
      - cogman10 1y ago
        Understandable. Now, do you condemn the genocide? Because the problem here is that even though you've experienced a traumatic event, 1000s of Palestinians who never shot at or bombed your family are being shot at, bombed, and starved. Do you acknowledge the Palestinian right to exist?
        halflife 1y ago
        Of course I acknowledge their right to exist. I only wish it would be reciprocated, however, time and time again we were shown that this is not the case. Gaza was left alone on 2006, look what happened. They could’ve made an example of a prosperous territory and enabling trust. Instead they chose war death and terror. I wish what happened wouldn’t have. On oct 7 and in Gaza. But people keep forgetting that we still have living hostages in tunnels under Gaza, and we can’t accept a militarized Gaza anymore. For the last 2 years there are 2 principles that have not changed. Hamas should return the hostages and surrender its arms. The moment that happens the war is over. It could’ve happened 2 years ago and this thousands of deaths could’ve been avoided. But until that happens, the war continues. So I don’t believe there’s genocide, as it precludes explicit desire. There’s war. And it will end the moment Hamas want it to.
        CapricornNoble 1y ago
        >They could’ve made an example of a prosperous territory and enabling trust. How do they create a prosperous territory? Israel destroyed Gaza's airport. Israel destroyed the foundations of Gaza's seaport. Israel maintains a maritime blockade of Gaza, so it's not like they can freely engage in trade with other sovereign territories. Israel maintains control over exploitation of Gaza's natural gas deposits.[1][2] > But people keep forgetting that we still have living hostages in tunnels under Gaza, and we can’t accept a militarized Gaza anymore. Even before Oct7, there were something like 350-500 Palestinians held in Israeli jails, charged with no crimes but indefinitely detained. They are functionally the same as hostages. Why should Gaza accept Israel holding hostages? Why should Palestine accept a militarized Israel? [3][4] > Hamas should return the hostages and surrender its arms. Israel should return its hostages and surrender its arms. And then the leadership should stand trial for genocide and crimes against humanity. We put some Hamas leaders on trial at the same time if you like, I'm fine with that, but the total disarmament of Israel and the prosecution of its leadership will likely be an overwhelming net good for the rest of humanity. [1] https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/6/21/palestines-forgotten-oil-and-gas-resources https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/6/21/palestines-forg... [2] https://mondoweiss.net/2019/10/the-gas-fields-off-gaza-a-gift-or-a-curse/ https://mondoweiss.net/2019/10/the-gas-fields-off-gaza-a-gif... [3] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2020/10/un-expert-calls-israel-end-practice-administrative-detention-and-immediately https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2020/10/un-expert-ca... [4] https://al-shabaka.org/briefs/the-prison-intifada-supporting-palestinian-administrative-detainees/ https://al-shabaka.org/briefs/the-prison-intifada-supporting...
  - zapataband2 1y ago
    There's no error in my post. "terrorism" is a political racist term mainly used to benefit white colonial powers and label freedom movements as below their oppressors. I don't think brown people trying to save themselves from a concentration camp are terrorists, therefore the terrorist state of israel is not the target of a terrorist group. In fact how could they be when it is them that are invading Gaza for 40+ years. I know you're not this stupid, you're just racist.
    - halflife 1y ago
      But you said that Israel is a terrorist state, so that isn’t political? Which is it?
      - zapataband2 1y ago
        [flagged]
albumen 1y ago
Yes, very good, OP's wrong and you're right. Now, if you'd address the 8,000,000lb elephant in the room that would be great.

Sure, I don't agree with that assessment, but I get where it comes from. I find the "what-about"ism somewhat tiring at this point. What Israel is currently doing is unconscionable. This is really not unlike trying to criticize the war crimes committed during the Warsaw uprising or the actions of John Brown. Were they wrong? Yes. Were they understandable? Absolutely. Bringing them up whenever someone brings up the actions of the Nazis or the slave owners is what's problematic. It tries to strip away the humanity of people that are being slaughtered in order to justify the slaughtering.

halflife 1y ago
I pointed out the error in his post, everybody else is “what-about”ing at me in response.
- cogman10 1y ago
  K. Did you need to point out that error? You can see why we'd read your response as running cover for a state actively committing genocide, right?
  - halflife 1y ago
    Yeah I did. I have friends that lost family from these terror attacks. Twice while on a date with my wife at our local bar we had to flee because of a Palestinian started shooting random people in the street. I had the luck to have a birthday party cancelled at this location on this date https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphinarium_discotheque_bombing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphinarium_discotheque_bom... So having a random person on the internet explicitly lying about these experiences and having other people upvoting him kind of grinds my gears.
    - cogman10 1y ago
      Understandable. Now, do you condemn the genocide? Because the problem here is that even though you've experienced a traumatic event, 1000s of Palestinians who never shot at or bombed your family are being shot at, bombed, and starved. Do you acknowledge the Palestinian right to exist?
      - halflife 1y ago
        Of course I acknowledge their right to exist. I only wish it would be reciprocated, however, time and time again we were shown that this is not the case. Gaza was left alone on 2006, look what happened. They could’ve made an example of a prosperous territory and enabling trust. Instead they chose war death and terror. I wish what happened wouldn’t have. On oct 7 and in Gaza. But people keep forgetting that we still have living hostages in tunnels under Gaza, and we can’t accept a militarized Gaza anymore. For the last 2 years there are 2 principles that have not changed. Hamas should return the hostages and surrender its arms. The moment that happens the war is over. It could’ve happened 2 years ago and this thousands of deaths could’ve been avoided. But until that happens, the war continues. So I don’t believe there’s genocide, as it precludes explicit desire. There’s war. And it will end the moment Hamas want it to.
        CapricornNoble 1y ago
        >They could’ve made an example of a prosperous territory and enabling trust. How do they create a prosperous territory? Israel destroyed Gaza's airport. Israel destroyed the foundations of Gaza's seaport. Israel maintains a maritime blockade of Gaza, so it's not like they can freely engage in trade with other sovereign territories. Israel maintains control over exploitation of Gaza's natural gas deposits.[1][2] > But people keep forgetting that we still have living hostages in tunnels under Gaza, and we can’t accept a militarized Gaza anymore. Even before Oct7, there were something like 350-500 Palestinians held in Israeli jails, charged with no crimes but indefinitely detained. They are functionally the same as hostages. Why should Gaza accept Israel holding hostages? Why should Palestine accept a militarized Israel? [3][4] > Hamas should return the hostages and surrender its arms. Israel should return its hostages and surrender its arms. And then the leadership should stand trial for genocide and crimes against humanity. We put some Hamas leaders on trial at the same time if you like, I'm fine with that, but the total disarmament of Israel and the prosecution of its leadership will likely be an overwhelming net good for the rest of humanity. [1] https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/6/21/palestines-forgotten-oil-and-gas-resources https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/6/21/palestines-forg... [2] https://mondoweiss.net/2019/10/the-gas-fields-off-gaza-a-gift-or-a-curse/ https://mondoweiss.net/2019/10/the-gas-fields-off-gaza-a-gif... [3] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2020/10/un-expert-calls-israel-end-practice-administrative-detention-and-immediately https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2020/10/un-expert-ca... [4] https://al-shabaka.org/briefs/the-prison-intifada-supporting-palestinian-administrative-detainees/ https://al-shabaka.org/briefs/the-prison-intifada-supporting...
- zapataband2 1y ago
  There's no error in my post. "terrorism" is a political racist term mainly used to benefit white colonial powers and label freedom movements as below their oppressors. I don't think brown people trying to save themselves from a concentration camp are terrorists, therefore the terrorist state of israel is not the target of a terrorist group. In fact how could they be when it is them that are invading Gaza for 40+ years. I know you're not this stupid, you're just racist.
  - halflife 1y ago
    But you said that Israel is a terrorist state, so that isn’t political? Which is it?
    - zapataband2 1y ago
      [flagged]

albumen 1y ago

Yes, very good, OP's wrong and you're right. Now, if you'd address the 8,000,000lb elephant in the room that would be great.