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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_... Would you say that this lis

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_... Would you say that this list is incorrect? Or that any attack on civilians in Israel is justified and thus not a terrorist attack?

rsoto2 1y ago
Do you think Israel was created through peace or through zionist bombing attacks? Do you think only the brown bombers should be labelled terrorists? You sound racist and like you're ok enabling the killing of children. As a doctor Tarek Loubani reported today "I've been to many wars, it has never felt like the war is against children"
- cogman10 1y ago
  No, you see, it's not terror when the bomb falls from a jet fighter or a drone /s.
  - monocasa 1y ago
    Or when it's biological warfare on civilians for the purpose of depopulation either apparently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread
- halflife 1y ago
  Before the state of Israel, Jewish groups were bombing British mandate offices. Not civilians, and definitely not on purpose. But I’m trying to understand your logic. Attacking innocent civilians is legitimate if your goal is to establish a state? And BTW, you don’t know me personally, ad hominem attacks just weaken your argument
  - oa335 1y ago
    Do you believe these events were terrorist attacks? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sunday_(1937) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sunday_(1937) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balad_al-Shaykh_massacre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balad_al-Shaykh_massacre https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=zzFlAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MIkNAAAAIBAJ&pg=5544,2680322 https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=zzFlAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MIkN... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread
    - halflife 1y ago
      Well yeah, the 30s and 40s were a horrible time of terror attacks from both groups against each other.
      - oa335 1y ago
        > Before the state of Israel, Jewish groups were bombing British mandate offices. Not civilians, and definitely not on purpose. Why did you make this assertion? And what makes them terrorist attacks?
rsoto2 1y ago
Is killing a child terrorism? Because israel has killed over 18000 in the last few years.
- halflife 1y ago
  You didn’t answer my question
  - zapataband2 1y ago
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    - halflife 1y ago
      Again, ad hominem. Let me teach you a little bit about Israel. 20% Arabs with same rights as Jews, with government representation. 50% of Jews in Israel come from Arab countries (they were ethnically cleansed from their home countries) so they are the exact color of Palestinians, if not even “brownier” (if the color is so important to you).
      - zapataband2 1y ago
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        halflife 1y ago
        It seems like you reply aggressively and instinctively without proof or reason. Your mind is set on something but have you researched it? Israel has more diversity than most European countries. All citizens have the same rights. Sexual orientation, gender, religion and race are protected by laws.
        zapataband2 1y ago
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cogman10 1y ago
I can fully grant the list as accurate and even undercounting the number of attacks that have happened. It, frankly, pales in comparison to the number of civilians the IDF has killed and is currently killing. No amount of terrorist attacks can justify starving a population or dropping bombs on the tents of refuges. Like, I'm sorry, but an attack in 2024 that injures 20 people and an attack in 2023 that kills 1000 is simply not comparable. There are literally 1000s dying weekly right now in gaza. The IDF is daily shooting starving children that go to the Israel's ran aid sites. Israel does not have the right to commit genocide.
- halflife 1y ago
  The OP said that Israel is not a target of terror attacks.
  - cogman10 1y ago
    Sure, I don't agree with that assessment, but I get where it comes from. I find the "what-about"ism somewhat tiring at this point. What Israel is currently doing is unconscionable. This is really not unlike trying to criticize the war crimes committed during the Warsaw uprising or the actions of John Brown. Were they wrong? Yes. Were they understandable? Absolutely. Bringing them up whenever someone brings up the actions of the Nazis or the slave owners is what's problematic. It tries to strip away the humanity of people that are being slaughtered in order to justify the slaughtering.
    - halflife 1y ago
      I pointed out the error in his post, everybody else is “what-about”ing at me in response.
      - cogman10 1y ago
        K. Did you need to point out that error? You can see why we'd read your response as running cover for a state actively committing genocide, right?
alangibson 1y ago
This is whataboutism. Either address the parent comment or go away.
- halflife 1y ago
  How is this whataboutism? He said that Israel is not a target of terror attacks. In response I provided a list of terror attacks against Israel, this is exactly on topic
  - alangibson 1y ago
    You don't have to convince me that you don't get it. I believe you. I'm not here to change your mind. I'm calling what you say out for the benefit of others.
  - chimineycricket 1y ago
    It's whataboutism because the statement also included that Israel is a terrorist state. By giving a list of attacks on Israel as a rebuttal, you are saying Israel is not a terrorist state because it's been attacked by Hamas. Do you see how silly that sounds? Since Hamas is a terrorist group for all of its viscousness, Israel must be as well, because the viciousness of Israel is more than 10 times that of Hamas.
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rsoto2 1y ago

Do you think Israel was created through peace or through zionist bombing attacks? Do you think only the brown bombers should be labelled terrorists? You sound racist and like you're ok enabling the killing of children. As a doctor Tarek Loubani reported today "I've been to many wars, it has never felt like the war is against children"

cogman10 1y ago
No, you see, it's not terror when the bomb falls from a jet fighter or a drone /s.
- monocasa 1y ago
  Or when it's biological warfare on civilians for the purpose of depopulation either apparently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread
halflife 1y ago
Before the state of Israel, Jewish groups were bombing British mandate offices. Not civilians, and definitely not on purpose. But I’m trying to understand your logic. Attacking innocent civilians is legitimate if your goal is to establish a state? And BTW, you don’t know me personally, ad hominem attacks just weaken your argument
- oa335 1y ago
  Do you believe these events were terrorist attacks? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sunday_(1937) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sunday_(1937) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balad_al-Shaykh_massacre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balad_al-Shaykh_massacre https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=zzFlAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MIkNAAAAIBAJ&pg=5544,2680322 https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=zzFlAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MIkN... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread
  - halflife 1y ago
    Well yeah, the 30s and 40s were a horrible time of terror attacks from both groups against each other.
    - oa335 1y ago
      > Before the state of Israel, Jewish groups were bombing British mandate offices. Not civilians, and definitely not on purpose. Why did you make this assertion? And what makes them terrorist attacks?

rsoto2 1y ago

Is killing a child terrorism? Because israel has killed over 18000 in the last few years.

halflife 1y ago
You didn’t answer my question
- zapataband2 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - halflife 1y ago
    Again, ad hominem. Let me teach you a little bit about Israel. 20% Arabs with same rights as Jews, with government representation. 50% of Jews in Israel come from Arab countries (they were ethnically cleansed from their home countries) so they are the exact color of Palestinians, if not even “brownier” (if the color is so important to you).
    - zapataband2 1y ago
      [flagged]
      - halflife 1y ago
        It seems like you reply aggressively and instinctively without proof or reason. Your mind is set on something but have you researched it? Israel has more diversity than most European countries. All citizens have the same rights. Sexual orientation, gender, religion and race are protected by laws.
        zapataband2 1y ago
        [flagged]

cogman10 1y ago

I can fully grant the list as accurate and even undercounting the number of attacks that have happened. It, frankly, pales in comparison to the number of civilians the IDF has killed and is currently killing. No amount of terrorist attacks can justify starving a population or dropping bombs on the tents of refuges. Like, I'm sorry, but an attack in 2024 that injures 20 people and an attack in 2023 that kills 1000 is simply not comparable. There are literally 1000s dying weekly right now in gaza. The IDF is daily shooting starving children that go to the Israel's ran aid sites. Israel does not have the right to commit genocide.

halflife 1y ago
The OP said that Israel is not a target of terror attacks.
- cogman10 1y ago
  Sure, I don't agree with that assessment, but I get where it comes from. I find the "what-about"ism somewhat tiring at this point. What Israel is currently doing is unconscionable. This is really not unlike trying to criticize the war crimes committed during the Warsaw uprising or the actions of John Brown. Were they wrong? Yes. Were they understandable? Absolutely. Bringing them up whenever someone brings up the actions of the Nazis or the slave owners is what's problematic. It tries to strip away the humanity of people that are being slaughtered in order to justify the slaughtering.
  - halflife 1y ago
    I pointed out the error in his post, everybody else is “what-about”ing at me in response.
    - cogman10 1y ago
      K. Did you need to point out that error? You can see why we'd read your response as running cover for a state actively committing genocide, right?

alangibson 1y ago

This is whataboutism. Either address the parent comment or go away.

halflife 1y ago
How is this whataboutism? He said that Israel is not a target of terror attacks. In response I provided a list of terror attacks against Israel, this is exactly on topic
- alangibson 1y ago
  You don't have to convince me that you don't get it. I believe you. I'm not here to change your mind. I'm calling what you say out for the benefit of others.
- chimineycricket 1y ago
  It's whataboutism because the statement also included that Israel is a terrorist state. By giving a list of attacks on Israel as a rebuttal, you are saying Israel is not a terrorist state because it's been attacked by Hamas. Do you see how silly that sounds? Since Hamas is a terrorist group for all of its viscousness, Israel must be as well, because the viciousness of Israel is more than 10 times that of Hamas.
  - deleted 1y ago
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