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It's sadly an example of terrible leading question bias, to the point where I'm surprised that it even got a 22% oppose rate. The percentages would change dram

by Ravus 1y ago

It's sadly an example of terrible leading question bias, to the point where I'm surprised that it even got a 22% oppose rate. The percentages would change dramatically were one to write it as, "From everything you have seen and heard, do you support or oppose the recent rules requiring adults to upload their id or a face photo before accessing any website that allows user to user interaction?" Both questions are factually accurate, but omit crucial aspects.

andai 1y ago
Yeah. It's the "foot in the door technique." The same is being done with Chat Control. It's very difficult to oppose a law ostensibly designed to fight CSAM. But once the law passes, it'll be easily expanded to other things like scanning messages to prevent terrorism. See also: > Concern over mass migration is terrorist ideology, says Prevent https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/06/06/concern-over-mass-migration-terrorist-ideology-prevent/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/06/06/concern-over...
- nine_k 1y ago
  The problem is that one of the most secure places in the world is a maximum security prison. Hence many measures that drag us closer to the prison state do genuinely improve security. It takes some balls for the society to say: No, we don't agree to yield an essential liberty in exchange to actual real increase of security. Yes, we accept that sometimes bad people will do evil things, because the only way to prevent that would inflict even more damage on everyone. Yes, we are willing to risk harm to stay free. There is always plenty of people who are ready to buy more comfort in exchange for limitations of liberty that, as they think, will not affect them, because they are honest, got nothing to hide, always follow the majority... until it does affect them, but it's too late.
- Ray20 1y ago
  > It's very difficult to oppose a law ostensibly designed to fight CSAM. But once the law passes, it'll be easily expanded to other things like scanning messages to prevent terrorism. Oh, look, you did it in literally two sentences. It turns out it's pretty easy to to oppose such law. Only there's simply no need to do it when you're the main beneficiary.
Iulioh 1y ago
"Do you want CHILDREN to be MURDERED by RAPEISTS online or are you a good person? Y/N
- mcny 1y ago
  No
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    [deleted]
- luqtas 1y ago
  then proceeds to the tea break and brainstorms on how to empower the monarchy and conquer the world
scratcheee 1y ago
There’s a classic yes minister skit on how dubious polls can be: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ahgjEjJkZks&t=45s https://youtube.com/watch?v=ahgjEjJkZks&t=45s
kieranmaine 1y ago
This doesn't quite cover what you're looking for but I think a previous survey led with a question that mentioned uploading ID - https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/survey-results/daily/2025/07/24/8b234/1 https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/survey-results/daily/202.... I can't find the survey it's entirety, but I think the above question was followed by (this is based on the number at the end of the URL, which I'm guessing is quesiton order) - https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/survey-results/daily/2025/07/24/8b234/2 https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/survey-results/daily/202...
- simonw 1y ago
  Are there any credible surveys on this topic that don't use the term "pornographic websites" in the survey question?
Lerc 1y ago
I live in a country where 91.78% of the population voted for a referendum that bought back hard labour in prisons. As one of the few who voted against it I have yet to encounter a single person who voted for it who both supports hard labour and realised that was in the question being asked.
- lazide 1y ago
  Let me guess - ‘do you support violent prisoners being given work in proportion to their crimes’ or something similar?
  - Lerc 1y ago
    Oh far more deceptive than that. "Should there be a reform of our justice system placing greater emphasis on the needs of victims, providing restitution and compensation for them and imposing minimum sentences and hard labour for all serious violent offenses?" Now let's play tldr with the law! Luckily it was non binding and stands forever as an argument against binding referendums.
    - bcrosby95 1y ago
      If a new law mentions victims I assume they're trying to appeal to my emotions. The joke is on them because I am a robot in skin form.
    - lazide 1y ago
      Yeah, there are many terrible legal abortions in California with the referendum setup too.
    - anigbrowl 1y ago
      I'm not really seeing the deception here since it specifies hard labour and says it would apply to all serious violent offenses. How could you vote for this and not know you were voting for hard labour?
      - 1y ago

by Ravus 1y ago

andai 1y ago

Yeah. It's the "foot in the door technique." The same is being done with Chat Control. It's very difficult to oppose a law ostensibly designed to fight CSAM. But once the law passes, it'll be easily expanded to other things like scanning messages to prevent terrorism. See also: > Concern over mass migration is terrorist ideology, says Prevent https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/06/06/concern-over-mass-migration-terrorist-ideology-prevent/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/06/06/concern-over...

nine_k 1y ago
The problem is that one of the most secure places in the world is a maximum security prison. Hence many measures that drag us closer to the prison state do genuinely improve security. It takes some balls for the society to say: No, we don't agree to yield an essential liberty in exchange to actual real increase of security. Yes, we accept that sometimes bad people will do evil things, because the only way to prevent that would inflict even more damage on everyone. Yes, we are willing to risk harm to stay free. There is always plenty of people who are ready to buy more comfort in exchange for limitations of liberty that, as they think, will not affect them, because they are honest, got nothing to hide, always follow the majority... until it does affect them, but it's too late.
Ray20 1y ago
> It's very difficult to oppose a law ostensibly designed to fight CSAM. But once the law passes, it'll be easily expanded to other things like scanning messages to prevent terrorism. Oh, look, you did it in literally two sentences. It turns out it's pretty easy to to oppose such law. Only there's simply no need to do it when you're the main beneficiary.

Iulioh 1y ago

"Do you want CHILDREN to be MURDERED by RAPEISTS online or are you a good person? Y/N

mcny 1y ago
No
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  [deleted]
luqtas 1y ago
then proceeds to the tea break and brainstorms on how to empower the monarchy and conquer the world

scratcheee 1y ago

There’s a classic yes minister skit on how dubious polls can be: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ahgjEjJkZks&t=45s https://youtube.com/watch?v=ahgjEjJkZks&t=45s

kieranmaine 1y ago

This doesn't quite cover what you're looking for but I think a previous survey led with a question that mentioned uploading ID - https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/survey-results/daily/2025/07/24/8b234/1 https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/survey-results/daily/202.... I can't find the survey it's entirety, but I think the above question was followed by (this is based on the number at the end of the URL, which I'm guessing is quesiton order) - https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/survey-results/daily/2025/07/24/8b234/2 https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/survey-results/daily/202...

simonw 1y ago
Are there any credible surveys on this topic that don't use the term "pornographic websites" in the survey question?

Lerc 1y ago

I live in a country where 91.78% of the population voted for a referendum that bought back hard labour in prisons. As one of the few who voted against it I have yet to encounter a single person who voted for it who both supports hard labour and realised that was in the question being asked.

lazide 1y ago
Let me guess - ‘do you support violent prisoners being given work in proportion to their crimes’ or something similar?
- Lerc 1y ago
  Oh far more deceptive than that. "Should there be a reform of our justice system placing greater emphasis on the needs of victims, providing restitution and compensation for them and imposing minimum sentences and hard labour for all serious violent offenses?" Now let's play tldr with the law! Luckily it was non binding and stands forever as an argument against binding referendums.
  - bcrosby95 1y ago
    If a new law mentions victims I assume they're trying to appeal to my emotions. The joke is on them because I am a robot in skin form.
  - lazide 1y ago
    Yeah, there are many terrible legal abortions in California with the referendum setup too.
  - anigbrowl 1y ago
    I'm not really seeing the deception here since it specifies hard labour and says it would apply to all serious violent offenses. How could you vote for this and not know you were voting for hard labour?
    - 1y ago