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If crime is at a 30-year low, what is the purpose of this? Is it to bring media attention away from the Epstein controversy?

by cowpig 1y ago

jacquesm 1y ago
It's a threat. What surprises me is that these people are all still following orders. They know there is no emergency - yet.
- penguin202 1y ago
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- jjk166 1y ago
  For anyone who disobeys the order, it's the end of their career; and every person with a conscience who leaves now will be replaced by someone who will gleefully follow much worse orders in due time. Everyone at the top levels whose job is to actually take a stand against these acts, to serve as a rallying point for others to know when the time to resist has come, have abdicated their duty. If the authoritarians are smart, they will never create a situation where we are backed into a corner, where the time to fight is obvious; we will be convinced that our best course of action is to continue in lockstep with the system in the hopes of fixing it, right up until the slaughter.
  - ModernMech 1y ago
    > every person with a conscience who leaves now will be replaced by someone who will gleefully follow much worse orders in due time. Is that any better than people with a conscience staying and reluctantly following much worse orders in due time? At least when they leave, they send a message of resistance instead of silently capitulating.
    - SauciestGNU 1y ago
      Internal sabotage and/or physical resistance to the execution of unlawful orders (think My Lai type event) might be the more meaningful action for the ethically conflicted service member. I think things would be a lot worse if everyone sympathetic to the people resigned and left only regime loyalists in the ranks.
    - jjk166 1y ago
      The question wasn't what should they do, it's why are they doing what they are currently doing? That said, obviously the point of remaining is so that they can refuse those worse orders when they come, so that they can convince their peers to do the same or temper their actions, so that the administration needs to worry about pushing too far lest that wave of resignations comes at a critical moment. Alarming though the pattern may be, this is neither a clear cut violation of the constitution nor likely to be a major turning point in the administration's public support. Leaving now would be ineffectual - there is no plan in place to take advantage of a few resignations to put a serious damper on the current plans, nor will it stop what's to come. The people who resign now may feel good about themselves, maybe enough to justify the potential hardship they and their loved ones will suffer as a consequence, but they deny the rest of us a key resource. Resigning is a weapon that can only be fired once; it would be selfish and stupid to waste the shot.
penguin202 1y ago
They're not at 30 year lows They've been cooking the books on it. https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-police-commander-suspended-crime-statistics/3959566/ https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-police-commander...
- wffurr 1y ago
  Pretty sure I saw that episode of The Wire. Aside, this is a pretty useful comment, unlike your other one on this thread. More of this and less of that, please.
  - penguin202 1y ago
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drivingmenuts 1y ago
It doesn't matter. What Trump believes (in his broken little mind) is all that matters. That and Plan 2025 or whatever it is.
rchaud 1y ago
To continue the pattern of throwing the military into regions of the country that don't vote for the regime.
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susiecambria 1y ago
Don't forget the prez plans on getting rid of people experiencing homelessness.
gottorf 1y ago
The "30-year low in violent crime" still puts DC ahead of every state in homicide rate. If DC were a country, it would rank somewhere around the top 20 most murderous. Venezuela, a literal failed state, has a lower homicide rate. Russia, the dysfunctional kleptocracy that it is, is less than a third as murderous as DC. Might not the people of DC deserve better? Is it possible that problems exist in real life outside of "media attention"?
- drozycki 1y ago
  DC is a city, not a state. You seem to be aware of this distinction in this comment [1] and yet you conflate the two here.. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44871583 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44871583
- furyofantares 1y ago
  DC isn't a state or a country. How's it compare to other cities in the US? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities... Sorting by Total here looks like #25 in violent crime and #29 in property crime.
  - gottorf 1y ago
    Your source has DC at #30 in total crime, #25 in total violent crime, and #29 in total property crime.
    - bombcar 1y ago
      Where is it in list literacy? ;)
- VerminOctopus1 1y ago
  Stop spamming the thread with this nonsense. The correct comparison is to other cities, because it’s a city. Not a state or a country.
  - 1y ago

If crime is at a 30-year low, what is the purpose of this? Is it to bring media attention away from the Epstein controversy?

by cowpig 1y ago

If crime is at a 30-year low, what is the purpose of this? Is it to bring media attention away from the Epstein controversy?

jacquesm 1y ago

It's a threat. What surprises me is that these people are all still following orders. They know there is no emergency - yet.

penguin202 1y ago
[flagged]
jjk166 1y ago
For anyone who disobeys the order, it's the end of their career; and every person with a conscience who leaves now will be replaced by someone who will gleefully follow much worse orders in due time. Everyone at the top levels whose job is to actually take a stand against these acts, to serve as a rallying point for others to know when the time to resist has come, have abdicated their duty. If the authoritarians are smart, they will never create a situation where we are backed into a corner, where the time to fight is obvious; we will be convinced that our best course of action is to continue in lockstep with the system in the hopes of fixing it, right up until the slaughter.
- ModernMech 1y ago
  > every person with a conscience who leaves now will be replaced by someone who will gleefully follow much worse orders in due time. Is that any better than people with a conscience staying and reluctantly following much worse orders in due time? At least when they leave, they send a message of resistance instead of silently capitulating.
  - SauciestGNU 1y ago
    Internal sabotage and/or physical resistance to the execution of unlawful orders (think My Lai type event) might be the more meaningful action for the ethically conflicted service member. I think things would be a lot worse if everyone sympathetic to the people resigned and left only regime loyalists in the ranks.
  - jjk166 1y ago
    The question wasn't what should they do, it's why are they doing what they are currently doing? That said, obviously the point of remaining is so that they can refuse those worse orders when they come, so that they can convince their peers to do the same or temper their actions, so that the administration needs to worry about pushing too far lest that wave of resignations comes at a critical moment. Alarming though the pattern may be, this is neither a clear cut violation of the constitution nor likely to be a major turning point in the administration's public support. Leaving now would be ineffectual - there is no plan in place to take advantage of a few resignations to put a serious damper on the current plans, nor will it stop what's to come. The people who resign now may feel good about themselves, maybe enough to justify the potential hardship they and their loved ones will suffer as a consequence, but they deny the rest of us a key resource. Resigning is a weapon that can only be fired once; it would be selfish and stupid to waste the shot.

penguin202 1y ago

They're not at 30 year lows They've been cooking the books on it. https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-police-commander-suspended-crime-statistics/3959566/ https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-police-commander...

wffurr 1y ago
Pretty sure I saw that episode of The Wire. Aside, this is a pretty useful comment, unlike your other one on this thread. More of this and less of that, please.
- penguin202 1y ago
  [flagged]

drivingmenuts 1y ago

It doesn't matter. What Trump believes (in his broken little mind) is all that matters. That and Plan 2025 or whatever it is.

rchaud 1y ago

To continue the pattern of throwing the military into regions of the country that don't vote for the regime.

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susiecambria 1y ago

Don't forget the prez plans on getting rid of people experiencing homelessness.

gottorf 1y ago

The "30-year low in violent crime" still puts DC ahead of every state in homicide rate. If DC were a country, it would rank somewhere around the top 20 most murderous. Venezuela, a literal failed state, has a lower homicide rate. Russia, the dysfunctional kleptocracy that it is, is less than a third as murderous as DC. Might not the people of DC deserve better? Is it possible that problems exist in real life outside of "media attention"?

drozycki 1y ago
DC is a city, not a state. You seem to be aware of this distinction in this comment [1] and yet you conflate the two here.. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44871583 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44871583
furyofantares 1y ago
DC isn't a state or a country. How's it compare to other cities in the US? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities... Sorting by Total here looks like #25 in violent crime and #29 in property crime.
- gottorf 1y ago
  Your source has DC at #30 in total crime, #25 in total violent crime, and #29 in total property crime.
  - bombcar 1y ago
    Where is it in list literacy? ;)
VerminOctopus1 1y ago
Stop spamming the thread with this nonsense. The correct comparison is to other cities, because it’s a city. Not a state or a country.
- 1y ago