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Al Jazeera condemns the assassination of its journalists by the IOF

86 points by jacooper 1y ago

AbuAssar 1y ago
Israel crossed all the red lines, and has defied all United Nations charters.
- westmeal 1y ago
  I think it shows clearly that the UN is just another extension of the US. They did have hearings about the rampant slaughter but mostly just sat there.
- throwaway290 1y ago
  Situation in Gaza is horrible. But to be fair UN was kind of a joke for many years (from Srebrenica ethnical cleansing facilitated by UNPROFOR in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutchbat#Events https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutchbat#Events trigger warning to how they made Iran chair human rights council recently https://www.reuters.com/world/irans-appointment-chair-un-rights-meeting-draws-condemnation-2023-11-02/ https://www.reuters.com/world/irans-appointment-chair-un-rig...)
  - jacooper 1y ago
    The international law is just there to use when it's convenient.
  - crinkly 1y ago
    Had a friend who was out there as a charity worker to help clean up after Srebrenica. It was worse than documented publicly. Same demilitarisation failures and covering shit up in Lebabon. UN can get fucked.
    - throwaway290 1y ago
      I hope he or she is fine. I'm not sure I would be:(
      - crinkly 1y ago
        Not really. 20 years of PTSD and mental health issues. He's doing much better now but it's still there.
Yokolos 1y ago
I'm surprised anybody still takes Al Jazeera at their word on anything. They're no more trustworthy than any Israeli news media. That is to say, not at all. As for Al Jazeera crying that their journalists keep getting targeted, I'm wondering why I can't find any reports of non-Al Jazeera or non-Palestinian journalists being targeted, when other news media like BBC are more than happy to paint Israel in a terrible light (whether deserved or not).
- throwaway290 1y ago
  > I'm surprised anybody still takes Al Jazeera at their word on anything. They're no more trustworthy than any Israeli news media. That is to say, not at all. This. And never forget there was an Al Jazeera journalist who worked for Hamas government and was found with hostages in his home https://nypost.com/2024/06/09/world-news/gaza-journalist-held-3-hostages-in-his-home-with-his-family-israeli-military-says/ https://nypost.com/2024/06/09/world-news/gaza-journalist-hel... There is an interview with one of the victims out there, the Russian guy. Israel's mainstream media is of course as sus as Jazeera when it comes to war coverage however there is hebrew language media that publishes lots of stuff that goes against governments line
  - magicalhippo 1y ago
    From the article you linked: Aljamal had written a column for Al Jazeera in 2019. The Qatar-based outlet said Aljamal was never an employee. Before his death, Aljamal was contributing to the Palestine Chronicle news outlet, where he wrote a plethora of stories covering the deaths of Palestinians in Gaza during Israel’s offensive.
    - throwaway290 1y ago
      There was literally an al jazeera tweet where they posted photos of journalists and Abdallah Aljamal was in that same list. I found out about this story from replies to the tweet So "OK and?"
- magicalhippo 1y ago
DataDaemon 1y ago
This will be flagged, like previous content.
- ImHereToVote 1y ago
  Why?
  - 4gotunameagain 1y ago
    Because the only political position of silicon valley is profit
    - tim333 1y ago
      The official HN guide thing is Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime... unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon This story is politics/crime but sadly not an interesting new phenomenon.
      - deleted 1y ago
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- Simulacra 1y ago
  Because hckrnews is for technology, and this has absolutely nothing to do with technology
  - karmakurtisaani 1y ago
    There's plenty of other non-tech news here. Besides, the user base of HN is fairly smart, so reading their discussions from non-tech topics is often interesting.
  - AlecSchueler 1y ago
    > Because hckrnews is for technology Could you quote the part of the posting guidelines where you see that? If I link you some other non-tech items from the front page could you explain the difference?
jacooper 1y ago
Israel now has killed the entire Al Jazeera crew in Gaza. Anas Al sharif was reporting non stop since the genocide began, he was the last journalist standing in north Gaza. This time it's not some collateral damage, they targeted him on purpose and are boasting about it. https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1954656049556062533 https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1954656049556062533 His will and last message https://twitter.com/AnasAlSharif0/status/1954670507128914219 https://twitter.com/AnasAlSharif0/status/1954670507128914219
- crinkly 1y ago
  The other side of the propaganda fence is this https://www.fdd.org/analysis/policy_briefs/2024/10/29/captured-documents-show-al-jazeera-ties-to-hamas-islamic-jihad/ https://www.fdd.org/analysis/policy_briefs/2024/10/29/captur... The truth is likely somewhere in the middle.
  - jacooper 1y ago
    The Source: an occupation army with arrest warrants for committing genocide.
    - lostmsu 1y ago
      And Qatar's media outlet is impartial?
      - jacooper 1y ago
        Is Israel allowing any reporters? Why aren't media outlets hiring reports in Gaza? Why are gazans regarded as untrusted to report about their own matters?! Also Al Jazeera is widely recognized as one of the best news agencies in the world.
  - AlecSchueler 1y ago
    > The truth is likely somewhere in the middle. Why would you believe this? Couldn't this be an example of toxic centrism?
crinkly 1y ago
One thing I've learned about the Middle East is that you have to give it a month before even considering the headlines. There isn't a single honest trustworthy media outlet out there. Everyone is partisan or tangled up in everything to some degree. That goes for ALL sides in this conflict.
- jacooper 1y ago
  The genocide has been ongoing for two years.
zczc 1y ago
At least some of those journalists seem to be Hamas combatants. "According to the IDF, [Anas] al-Sharif has served as head of a rocket launching squad and a member of a Nukhba Force company in Hamas’s East Jabalia Battalion"[1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-gaza-documents-prove-6-al-jazeera-journalists-are-hamas-pij-operatives/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-gaza-documents-prove-... (2024)
- Garvi 1y ago
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- crinkly 1y ago
  Other side of Al Jazeera is not particularly pretty. No one reads that. One of their "journalist" reports on 7th October who was actually, well, there: https://www.aljazeera.net/politics/2023/10/7/شهود-عيان-للجزيرة-نت-هكذا-بدت-مستوطنات https://www.aljazeera.net/politics/2023/10/7/شهود-عيان-للجزي... (Use translate) The joy of killing civilians. Disgusting. My support is gone. Edit: I can't reply. Forget your whataboutism. Hamas values the martyrdom of their civilians and the deaths of Israelis more than it cares about the Palestinians. That is the tragedy here: Hamas made them perfect victims and political capital. To note this is not a binary decision. You don't have to support one side or the other. I don't. But holding one to account and not the other is not acceptable.
  - jacooper 1y ago
    What about the 60,000+ civilians killed in Gaza? Do they not matter to you? Are Israeli lives more important to you or what?
    - throwaway290 1y ago
      This is literally the strategy of hamas, attack Israel, hide in airconditioned electrified tunnels under hospitals and schools, leave civilian population on the surface suffer when IDF tries to get to hamas and make sure it is publicized. It's a wonderful 4d chess move unless of course you if you actually cared about Palestinians. Apparently there is a religious justification for it too. Their bandit state makes good use of it and the world laps it up
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JohnTHaller 1y ago
According to Reporters Without Borders, Palestine is currently the most dangerous country in the world for journalists. About 200 have been killed there since Israel invaded. Israel has banned all foreign journalists.
KevinMS 1y ago
Journalists in Gaza are just as much journalists as journalists were in the USSR

86 points by jacooper 1y ago

AbuAssar 1y ago

Israel crossed all the red lines, and has defied all United Nations charters.

westmeal 1y ago
I think it shows clearly that the UN is just another extension of the US. They did have hearings about the rampant slaughter but mostly just sat there.
throwaway290 1y ago
Situation in Gaza is horrible. But to be fair UN was kind of a joke for many years (from Srebrenica ethnical cleansing facilitated by UNPROFOR in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutchbat#Events https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutchbat#Events trigger warning to how they made Iran chair human rights council recently https://www.reuters.com/world/irans-appointment-chair-un-rights-meeting-draws-condemnation-2023-11-02/ https://www.reuters.com/world/irans-appointment-chair-un-rig...)
- jacooper 1y ago
  The international law is just there to use when it's convenient.
- crinkly 1y ago
  Had a friend who was out there as a charity worker to help clean up after Srebrenica. It was worse than documented publicly. Same demilitarisation failures and covering shit up in Lebabon. UN can get fucked.
  - throwaway290 1y ago
    I hope he or she is fine. I'm not sure I would be:(
    - crinkly 1y ago
      Not really. 20 years of PTSD and mental health issues. He's doing much better now but it's still there.

Yokolos 1y ago

I'm surprised anybody still takes Al Jazeera at their word on anything. They're no more trustworthy than any Israeli news media. That is to say, not at all. As for Al Jazeera crying that their journalists keep getting targeted, I'm wondering why I can't find any reports of non-Al Jazeera or non-Palestinian journalists being targeted, when other news media like BBC are more than happy to paint Israel in a terrible light (whether deserved or not).

throwaway290 1y ago
> I'm surprised anybody still takes Al Jazeera at their word on anything. They're no more trustworthy than any Israeli news media. That is to say, not at all. This. And never forget there was an Al Jazeera journalist who worked for Hamas government and was found with hostages in his home https://nypost.com/2024/06/09/world-news/gaza-journalist-held-3-hostages-in-his-home-with-his-family-israeli-military-says/ https://nypost.com/2024/06/09/world-news/gaza-journalist-hel... There is an interview with one of the victims out there, the Russian guy. Israel's mainstream media is of course as sus as Jazeera when it comes to war coverage however there is hebrew language media that publishes lots of stuff that goes against governments line
- magicalhippo 1y ago
  From the article you linked: Aljamal had written a column for Al Jazeera in 2019. The Qatar-based outlet said Aljamal was never an employee. Before his death, Aljamal was contributing to the Palestine Chronicle news outlet, where he wrote a plethora of stories covering the deaths of Palestinians in Gaza during Israel’s offensive.
  - throwaway290 1y ago
    There was literally an al jazeera tweet where they posted photos of journalists and Abdallah Aljamal was in that same list. I found out about this story from replies to the tweet So "OK and?"
magicalhippo 1y ago

DataDaemon 1y ago

This will be flagged, like previous content.

ImHereToVote 1y ago
Why?
- 4gotunameagain 1y ago
  Because the only political position of silicon valley is profit
  - tim333 1y ago
    The official HN guide thing is Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime... unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon This story is politics/crime but sadly not an interesting new phenomenon.
    - deleted 1y ago
      [deleted]
Simulacra 1y ago
Because hckrnews is for technology, and this has absolutely nothing to do with technology
- karmakurtisaani 1y ago
  There's plenty of other non-tech news here. Besides, the user base of HN is fairly smart, so reading their discussions from non-tech topics is often interesting.
- AlecSchueler 1y ago
  > Because hckrnews is for technology Could you quote the part of the posting guidelines where you see that? If I link you some other non-tech items from the front page could you explain the difference?

jacooper 1y ago

Israel now has killed the entire Al Jazeera crew in Gaza. Anas Al sharif was reporting non stop since the genocide began, he was the last journalist standing in north Gaza. This time it's not some collateral damage, they targeted him on purpose and are boasting about it. https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1954656049556062533 https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1954656049556062533 His will and last message https://twitter.com/AnasAlSharif0/status/1954670507128914219 https://twitter.com/AnasAlSharif0/status/1954670507128914219

crinkly 1y ago
The other side of the propaganda fence is this https://www.fdd.org/analysis/policy_briefs/2024/10/29/captured-documents-show-al-jazeera-ties-to-hamas-islamic-jihad/ https://www.fdd.org/analysis/policy_briefs/2024/10/29/captur... The truth is likely somewhere in the middle.
- jacooper 1y ago
  The Source: an occupation army with arrest warrants for committing genocide.
  - lostmsu 1y ago
    And Qatar's media outlet is impartial?
    - jacooper 1y ago
      Is Israel allowing any reporters? Why aren't media outlets hiring reports in Gaza? Why are gazans regarded as untrusted to report about their own matters?! Also Al Jazeera is widely recognized as one of the best news agencies in the world.
- AlecSchueler 1y ago
  > The truth is likely somewhere in the middle. Why would you believe this? Couldn't this be an example of toxic centrism?

crinkly 1y ago

One thing I've learned about the Middle East is that you have to give it a month before even considering the headlines. There isn't a single honest trustworthy media outlet out there. Everyone is partisan or tangled up in everything to some degree. That goes for ALL sides in this conflict.

jacooper 1y ago
The genocide has been ongoing for two years.

zczc 1y ago

At least some of those journalists seem to be Hamas combatants. "According to the IDF, [Anas] al-Sharif has served as head of a rocket launching squad and a member of a Nukhba Force company in Hamas’s East Jabalia Battalion"[1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-gaza-documents-prove-6-al-jazeera-journalists-are-hamas-pij-operatives/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-gaza-documents-prove-... (2024)

Garvi 1y ago
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crinkly 1y ago
Other side of Al Jazeera is not particularly pretty. No one reads that. One of their "journalist" reports on 7th October who was actually, well, there: https://www.aljazeera.net/politics/2023/10/7/شهود-عيان-للجزيرة-نت-هكذا-بدت-مستوطنات https://www.aljazeera.net/politics/2023/10/7/شهود-عيان-للجزي... (Use translate) The joy of killing civilians. Disgusting. My support is gone. Edit: I can't reply. Forget your whataboutism. Hamas values the martyrdom of their civilians and the deaths of Israelis more than it cares about the Palestinians. That is the tragedy here: Hamas made them perfect victims and political capital. To note this is not a binary decision. You don't have to support one side or the other. I don't. But holding one to account and not the other is not acceptable.
- jacooper 1y ago
  What about the 60,000+ civilians killed in Gaza? Do they not matter to you? Are Israeli lives more important to you or what?
  - throwaway290 1y ago
    This is literally the strategy of hamas, attack Israel, hide in airconditioned electrified tunnels under hospitals and schools, leave civilian population on the surface suffer when IDF tries to get to hamas and make sure it is publicized. It's a wonderful 4d chess move unless of course you if you actually cared about Palestinians. Apparently there is a religious justification for it too. Their bandit state makes good use of it and the world laps it up

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JohnTHaller 1y ago

According to Reporters Without Borders, Palestine is currently the most dangerous country in the world for journalists. About 200 have been killed there since Israel invaded. Israel has banned all foreign journalists.

KevinMS 1y ago

Journalists in Gaza are just as much journalists as journalists were in the USSR