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I'm not AI's biggest fan, but it is training it's virtual brain on images and data, just like a creative human would, yet it is just far quicker at that. Do we

I'm not AI's biggest fan, but it is training it's virtual brain on images and data, just like a creative human would, yet it is just far quicker at that. Do we need to limit scraping and learning to only free publicly available data? Therefore is a Reuters photo still not publicly available for learning style of photo, composition, lighting, even with a watermark. What you pay for is the license to reproduce the image, you can still look at them beforehand.

nicbou 1y ago
I think the main issue is that it uses monopolistic behaviour to press its advantage. It feels as if Google et al are scalping information from the actual producers. There is also the nonconsensual aspect of it. I make things for humans. Just because it’s free for humans does not mean it’s free to be used by corporations, especially they use my work to kill the economics of my industry. It feels like a parasitic relationship.
can16358p 1y ago
No one was able to summarize exactly what I had in mind about AI this well for years. Thank you!
hau 1y ago
What really matters is the society where we want to live in. It doesn't matter much what kind of technology allows private entities to reproduce creativity. We can assume these brains are not virtual and are actually organic and more capable than human ones, or that they are magical black boxes. Since it changes incentives and mechanics of the creativity market so much it forces us to reassess current approaches. I can't agree that mechanism behind this tech and the approach to IP is of any consequence. We don't make laws, norms and judgements for the sake of our tools. It's ok to say that we're not ready to arrange things in a proper way yet, without letting everything slide on some arbitrary technicality.
notachatbot123 1y ago
As a human I am not allowed to freely acquire anything I want. I have to pay, rent, license. This makes me unable to learn and train my brain in many ways I would like to. Why should "AI" companies be allowed more than I?
- wiseowise 1y ago
  They literally employ torrents, like you can.
  - notachatbot123 1y ago
    I am not allowed to acquire or share copyrighted material without having a license.
_DeadFred_ 1y ago
A for profit product has different rules it is under than a human brain. Why does 'humans are human' have anything to do with a corporate, for profit product that scales infinitely? The two are nothing alike.

nicbou 1y ago

I think the main issue is that it uses monopolistic behaviour to press its advantage. It feels as if Google et al are scalping information from the actual producers. There is also the nonconsensual aspect of it. I make things for humans. Just because it’s free for humans does not mean it’s free to be used by corporations, especially they use my work to kill the economics of my industry. It feels like a parasitic relationship.

can16358p 1y ago

No one was able to summarize exactly what I had in mind about AI this well for years. Thank you!

hau 1y ago

What really matters is the society where we want to live in. It doesn't matter much what kind of technology allows private entities to reproduce creativity. We can assume these brains are not virtual and are actually organic and more capable than human ones, or that they are magical black boxes. Since it changes incentives and mechanics of the creativity market so much it forces us to reassess current approaches. I can't agree that mechanism behind this tech and the approach to IP is of any consequence. We don't make laws, norms and judgements for the sake of our tools. It's ok to say that we're not ready to arrange things in a proper way yet, without letting everything slide on some arbitrary technicality.

notachatbot123 1y ago

As a human I am not allowed to freely acquire anything I want. I have to pay, rent, license. This makes me unable to learn and train my brain in many ways I would like to. Why should "AI" companies be allowed more than I?

wiseowise 1y ago
They literally employ torrents, like you can.
- notachatbot123 1y ago
  I am not allowed to acquire or share copyrighted material without having a license.

_DeadFred_ 1y ago

A for profit product has different rules it is under than a human brain. Why does 'humans are human' have anything to do with a corporate, for profit product that scales infinitely? The two are nothing alike.