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> Many rented just a bed for half a day! They slept, and the other half the other person, who worked in night shift, slept on it. This is not unheard of for so

> Many rented just a bed for half a day! They slept, and the other half the other person, who worked in night shift, slept on it. This is not unheard of for south Asian immigrants in European cities, which typically do hard, low paid work (car cleaners, gig economy delivery "partners" etc). All that for what ? So people can order take away in Berlin from a place that's 10 minutes away from them by bike, because they clubbed too hard last night. And the profit finds its way to America (doordash owns Wolt).

culebron21 1y ago
Yes, I forgot to add this. I saw some shocking examples from Honk Kong, I think, where immigrants rent just a bed-cell.
leosanchez 1y ago
> All that for what ? So people can order take away in Berlin from a place that's 10 minutes away from them by bike, because they clubbed too hard last night. And the profit finds its way to America (doordash owns Wolt). But at least people are getting paid right? The alternative is people staying in their hometown and not making any money.
- 4gotunameagain 1y ago
  I'm not so sure about that. Accepting the existence of such working conditions for marginal (if not questionable) benefits lowers the working conditions for everyone, and in a system with social benefits & free healthcare it could arguably be net negative in total. Regarding unemployment in people's hometowns, unfortunately this is not a problem that can be solved with shitty jobs. Even if xxx people find a shitty job, there will be 100*xxx people left over.
  - salawat 1y ago
    Everyone talks about unemployment when what we should be talking about is the inability to get seed capital or expertise to start a business, and given you actually get one started the casting of value moats by hyperscaled firms that bring the taint of diversified, hyper-optimization, and consequent elevation of the barriers to entry for everyone else. We all want to talk the investor/capitalist game, but nobody wants to recognize the fact the world we're in Washington built on much greater levels of competition, less consolidation, and more fiscal risk/insecurity. .arguably, in capitalism, it seems to me that the velocity of money is most important, and we've got massive amounts of it bottlenecked at the top of the pyramid instead of at the bottom where the actual organic distributed optimizers are.
sevenseacat 1y ago
Not unheard of here in Australia either.
- megablast 1y ago
  Not unheard of = incredibly rare.
miroljub 1y ago
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- 4gotunameagain 1y ago
  As I'm sure you're aware, German parents get 200-300€ per child (Kinderzuschlag). And then tax reductions. That said, if we want less immigrants maybe we could stop helping the US and Israel with their wars in the middle east or coups in Africa ?
  - miroljub 1y ago
    It's exactly 250 € per child. If you are sustaining your life expenses yourself, it's just a small fraction of your tax money you get back. Fake asylum seekrs don't pay anything, hey just get support and procreate. They are a financial net negative for the society. The system as is is encouraging the wrong kind of children, where children are assets for non-working, and a liability for working people. First thing I would do to fix this is to remove child support handouts in cash. I would make it a tax credit instead, so only people who do productive work and pay taxes would get tax benefits.
    - BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago
      “Get government benefits and mooch off the dole” just doesn’t sound like a realistic portrayal of an asylum seeker, whether real or just for economic opportunity. Germany might be different, but I know in America all our immigrants are crazy hardworking.
      - 4gotunameagain 1y ago
        In America everyone is crazy hardworking period, because there is zero socialism. Here (EU) in many countries it is possible to not work and survive, with varying levels of compromise
        staringback 1y ago

culebron21 1y ago

Yes, I forgot to add this. I saw some shocking examples from Honk Kong, I think, where immigrants rent just a bed-cell.

leosanchez 1y ago

> All that for what ? So people can order take away in Berlin from a place that's 10 minutes away from them by bike, because they clubbed too hard last night. And the profit finds its way to America (doordash owns Wolt). But at least people are getting paid right? The alternative is people staying in their hometown and not making any money.

4gotunameagain 1y ago
I'm not so sure about that. Accepting the existence of such working conditions for marginal (if not questionable) benefits lowers the working conditions for everyone, and in a system with social benefits & free healthcare it could arguably be net negative in total. Regarding unemployment in people's hometowns, unfortunately this is not a problem that can be solved with shitty jobs. Even if xxx people find a shitty job, there will be 100*xxx people left over.
- salawat 1y ago
  Everyone talks about unemployment when what we should be talking about is the inability to get seed capital or expertise to start a business, and given you actually get one started the casting of value moats by hyperscaled firms that bring the taint of diversified, hyper-optimization, and consequent elevation of the barriers to entry for everyone else. We all want to talk the investor/capitalist game, but nobody wants to recognize the fact the world we're in Washington built on much greater levels of competition, less consolidation, and more fiscal risk/insecurity. .arguably, in capitalism, it seems to me that the velocity of money is most important, and we've got massive amounts of it bottlenecked at the top of the pyramid instead of at the bottom where the actual organic distributed optimizers are.

sevenseacat 1y ago

Not unheard of here in Australia either.

megablast 1y ago
Not unheard of = incredibly rare.

miroljub 1y ago

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4gotunameagain 1y ago
As I'm sure you're aware, German parents get 200-300€ per child (Kinderzuschlag). And then tax reductions. That said, if we want less immigrants maybe we could stop helping the US and Israel with their wars in the middle east or coups in Africa ?
- miroljub 1y ago
  It's exactly 250 € per child. If you are sustaining your life expenses yourself, it's just a small fraction of your tax money you get back. Fake asylum seekrs don't pay anything, hey just get support and procreate. They are a financial net negative for the society. The system as is is encouraging the wrong kind of children, where children are assets for non-working, and a liability for working people. First thing I would do to fix this is to remove child support handouts in cash. I would make it a tax credit instead, so only people who do productive work and pay taxes would get tax benefits.
  - BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago
    “Get government benefits and mooch off the dole” just doesn’t sound like a realistic portrayal of an asylum seeker, whether real or just for economic opportunity. Germany might be different, but I know in America all our immigrants are crazy hardworking.
    - 4gotunameagain 1y ago
      In America everyone is crazy hardworking period, because there is zero socialism. Here (EU) in many countries it is possible to not work and survive, with varying levels of compromise
      - staringback 1y ago