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Same, early 2010s IMO seems to be the point where the industry really started to shift. There are some good cars from before this time, but keep them running pa

Same, early 2010s IMO seems to be the point where the industry really started to shift. There are some good cars from before this time, but keep them running past the 2030s will be a challenge.

userbinator 1y ago
There are some good cars from before this time, but keep them running past the 2030s will be a challenge. If it's a pre-computer car, all you need is a machine shop or access to one.
flomo 1y ago
This problem solved itself on my car because it only has a 3G modem.
- bestham 1y ago
  On an adjacent theme there has been a large debate in Sweden if a car that has mandated automatic eCall over 2G or 3G is faulty and thus not roadworthy if the 2G and 3G networks are turned off. The eCall feature was introduced broadly in 2018. It still uses modem sounds over a voice phone call to relay car emergency status and position. New solutions for packet only networks (4g and 5G) have been standardised but are not retrofitted to older cars.
  - potato3732842 1y ago
    There's, broadly speaking, two ways this can go. The first way this can go is that the people with a stake in selling cars (dealers, OEMs, etc) get their lobbyists leaning on the politicians and get it rammed through. The second is that the issue gets delayed long enough that the number of older vehicles it applies to goes down out of attrition and it's not worth fighting over. Considering the cultural disposition of the nordics when it comes to matters like this I expect the first option to be chosen. There will enough people hand wringing about safety and whatnot to provide the political lubricant to ensure the first outcome.
  - toast0 1y ago
    I had thought most of europe was keeping 2G service online. Too many deployed devices that are low traffic but expensive to replace modules on. Even if they had a 3g module, they'll fall back to 2g, so there's no sense in using spectrum for 2g and spectrum for 3g.
CraigJPerry 1y ago
What happened in the early 2010s? 1980s widespread adoption of electronic fuel injection - this is generally a good thing, cars become more complex but run better more of the time 1990s widespread adoption of more advanced emissions control systems - for reliability i'd say this is only a backwards step - none of these systems are required to propel the car down the road but many of them can stop a car from driving. They are additional complexity, weight and cost for limited functional benefit (in this generation, fuel economy improvements were fairly small compared to the leap from carbs to EFI in the previous gen). 2000s widespread adoption of on-car networks, the emissions diagnostics technology introduced in the previous decade was now no longer the primary use of on-car networks. Now your car stereo knew how to increase its volume as your road speed increased etc. screens became larger and colourful. Onboard software (typically bug ridden) became a security risk. 2010s widespread adoption of telematics maybe? That was more mid-late 2010s though
- close04 1y ago
  > What happened in the early 2010s? I'd say Tesla built a futuristic computer on wheels, with huge screens, always-on internet connectivity, smarter remote features than most other cars, etc. The car itself was exotic enough by being an EV and that drew attention to these other features too. Everyone else started to emulate them for better or worse. For now these things are modular because it was the cheapest way to build them. If manufacturers get over the hurdle of cost and find a way to have everything more vertically integrated (think Apple) then we'll lose all access to tinker with the hardware which might be a couple of black-box chips, or the software. This is probably what Apple was trying to sell as a smart car to car manufacturers. They might have dropped those plans to focus in CarPlay and have the phone be that "smart car". Hopefully some brands go the other way and make a dumb car where the brain is entirely the phone but that's handing out a lot of their agency to the phone manufacturer.
- numpad0 1y ago
  2010s, in software, vertical integration, and digital feudalism? iPhone?
  - 1y ago

Same, early 2010s IMO seems to be the point where the industry really started to shift. There are some good cars from before this time, but keep them running past the 2030s will be a challenge.

userbinator 1y ago

There are some good cars from before this time, but keep them running past the 2030s will be a challenge. If it's a pre-computer car, all you need is a machine shop or access to one.

flomo 1y ago

This problem solved itself on my car because it only has a 3G modem.

bestham 1y ago
On an adjacent theme there has been a large debate in Sweden if a car that has mandated automatic eCall over 2G or 3G is faulty and thus not roadworthy if the 2G and 3G networks are turned off. The eCall feature was introduced broadly in 2018. It still uses modem sounds over a voice phone call to relay car emergency status and position. New solutions for packet only networks (4g and 5G) have been standardised but are not retrofitted to older cars.
- potato3732842 1y ago
  There's, broadly speaking, two ways this can go. The first way this can go is that the people with a stake in selling cars (dealers, OEMs, etc) get their lobbyists leaning on the politicians and get it rammed through. The second is that the issue gets delayed long enough that the number of older vehicles it applies to goes down out of attrition and it's not worth fighting over. Considering the cultural disposition of the nordics when it comes to matters like this I expect the first option to be chosen. There will enough people hand wringing about safety and whatnot to provide the political lubricant to ensure the first outcome.
- toast0 1y ago
  I had thought most of europe was keeping 2G service online. Too many deployed devices that are low traffic but expensive to replace modules on. Even if they had a 3g module, they'll fall back to 2g, so there's no sense in using spectrum for 2g and spectrum for 3g.

CraigJPerry 1y ago

What happened in the early 2010s? 1980s widespread adoption of electronic fuel injection - this is generally a good thing, cars become more complex but run better more of the time 1990s widespread adoption of more advanced emissions control systems - for reliability i'd say this is only a backwards step - none of these systems are required to propel the car down the road but many of them can stop a car from driving. They are additional complexity, weight and cost for limited functional benefit (in this generation, fuel economy improvements were fairly small compared to the leap from carbs to EFI in the previous gen). 2000s widespread adoption of on-car networks, the emissions diagnostics technology introduced in the previous decade was now no longer the primary use of on-car networks. Now your car stereo knew how to increase its volume as your road speed increased etc. screens became larger and colourful. Onboard software (typically bug ridden) became a security risk. 2010s widespread adoption of telematics maybe? That was more mid-late 2010s though

close04 1y ago
> What happened in the early 2010s? I'd say Tesla built a futuristic computer on wheels, with huge screens, always-on internet connectivity, smarter remote features than most other cars, etc. The car itself was exotic enough by being an EV and that drew attention to these other features too. Everyone else started to emulate them for better or worse. For now these things are modular because it was the cheapest way to build them. If manufacturers get over the hurdle of cost and find a way to have everything more vertically integrated (think Apple) then we'll lose all access to tinker with the hardware which might be a couple of black-box chips, or the software. This is probably what Apple was trying to sell as a smart car to car manufacturers. They might have dropped those plans to focus in CarPlay and have the phone be that "smart car". Hopefully some brands go the other way and make a dumb car where the brain is entirely the phone but that's handing out a lot of their agency to the phone manufacturer.
numpad0 1y ago
2010s, in software, vertical integration, and digital feudalism? iPhone?
- 1y ago