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It can only install apps from the Amazon marketplace which is significantly smaller than the play marketplace.

by ktsmith 14y ago

jonknee 14y ago
You can install regular ol' .apk files, so it's Google Play's issue and not the Kindle Fire's. http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/11/kindle-fire-sideload/ http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/11/kindle-fire-sideload/
- ktsmith 14y ago
  It's Android so of course you can side load apps. However it's a fork of Android and so it's not eligible to get access to Google's app ecosystem. This is a decision that Amazon made intentionally and knowing full well it would limit their customers access to android offerings via Google. They don't want their customers using third party marketplaces or video services as then Amazon is cut out of the payments.
  - jonknee 14y ago
    > They don't want their customers using third party marketplaces or video services as then Amazon is cut out of the payments The integration into Amazon's ecosystem is a major selling feature, trying to fully tie it into two ecosystems would be a mess. You can use other video services though, Netflix works great. For music there is Pandora and Spotify.
    - ktsmith 14y ago
      I don't see how this integration is a selling point, the price and the kindle branding seem to be it's biggest selling points. Everyone knows that kindle is synonymous with books at this point. You can certainly use other services like Netflix, Hulu, Spotify or Pandora. Amazon probably loves that those apps are available for their device. The basic reason is that once you go looking for something not available on those other services (which happens frequently) your only other real choice is buying it from Amazon. I have a fire, and it was immediately obvious within a few minutes it's designed around consuming content from Amazon and spending more money with them. While it would be absolutely a mess to fully support two app ecosystems I think it's naive to think that Amazon would have supported any system that didn't primarily direct funds back to them. They can sell these devices so cheaply as it doesn't matter if they profit from hardware. They've designed everything in such a way as to derive their revenue from sales of media.
      - jonknee 14y ago
        > I don't see how this integration is a selling point, the price and the kindle branding seem to be it's biggest selling points. Everyone knows that kindle is synonymous with books at this point. It's a selling point because it's easy and it's automatic. Similar to iOS. Out of the box you're ready to go and if you buy something one place it shows up in the other place too. If you're a Prime customer there is a ton of video content waiting for you for free. It's a walled garden, but other than Apple it's the most well done walled garden. I'd prefer top of the line hardware with stock Android (mostly so I can test stuff), but that's not the business they're in. They made that very clear with Bezos stating they don't want to make money with selling their devices, they want to make money when you use them.
      - r00fus 14y ago
        It's not just the Amazon App-store apps, it's Amazon services/features like Silk, Whispersync, and X-Ray. That said, I'm seriously curious if Amazon is still using a highly modified, improved, Android 2.x fork for their release version.
  - Evbn 14y ago
    Your "of course" is not legally or softwarely true as a rule.
- eropple 14y ago
  The issue is the tragic farce that is Amazon's UI, not sideloading (though I recall, perhaps incorrectly, some nonsense about Google Play being uninstalled if you tried to sideload it onto the device). The Kindle Fire's UI was terrifyingly bad. I expect nothing less from Amazon this time around. I buy Android devices for stock Android, not for a manufacturer skin.
  - jonknee 14y ago
    > I buy Android devices for stock Android, not for a manufacturer skin. You're very much in the minority. People like iOS because it's integrated and easy, that's the same thing Amazon and Google are going for as well.
    - eropple 14y ago
      Stock Android is integrated and easy. Though perhaps you're taking "stock" to mean "lacking the Google applications," which I'm certainly not. "What comes on Nexus devices" is what I consider a stock Android product. That's effectively the selling point and why it's so fantastic.

It can only install apps from the Amazon marketplace which is significantly smaller than the play marketplace.

by ktsmith 14y ago

It can only install apps from the Amazon marketplace which is significantly smaller than the play marketplace.

You can install regular ol' .apk files, so it's Google Play's issue and not the Kindle Fire's. http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/11/kindle-fire-sideload/ http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/11/kindle-fire-sideload/

ktsmith 14y ago
It's Android so of course you can side load apps. However it's a fork of Android and so it's not eligible to get access to Google's app ecosystem. This is a decision that Amazon made intentionally and knowing full well it would limit their customers access to android offerings via Google. They don't want their customers using third party marketplaces or video services as then Amazon is cut out of the payments.
- jonknee 14y ago
  > They don't want their customers using third party marketplaces or video services as then Amazon is cut out of the payments The integration into Amazon's ecosystem is a major selling feature, trying to fully tie it into two ecosystems would be a mess. You can use other video services though, Netflix works great. For music there is Pandora and Spotify.
  - ktsmith 14y ago
    I don't see how this integration is a selling point, the price and the kindle branding seem to be it's biggest selling points. Everyone knows that kindle is synonymous with books at this point. You can certainly use other services like Netflix, Hulu, Spotify or Pandora. Amazon probably loves that those apps are available for their device. The basic reason is that once you go looking for something not available on those other services (which happens frequently) your only other real choice is buying it from Amazon. I have a fire, and it was immediately obvious within a few minutes it's designed around consuming content from Amazon and spending more money with them. While it would be absolutely a mess to fully support two app ecosystems I think it's naive to think that Amazon would have supported any system that didn't primarily direct funds back to them. They can sell these devices so cheaply as it doesn't matter if they profit from hardware. They've designed everything in such a way as to derive their revenue from sales of media.
    - jonknee 14y ago
      > I don't see how this integration is a selling point, the price and the kindle branding seem to be it's biggest selling points. Everyone knows that kindle is synonymous with books at this point. It's a selling point because it's easy and it's automatic. Similar to iOS. Out of the box you're ready to go and if you buy something one place it shows up in the other place too. If you're a Prime customer there is a ton of video content waiting for you for free. It's a walled garden, but other than Apple it's the most well done walled garden. I'd prefer top of the line hardware with stock Android (mostly so I can test stuff), but that's not the business they're in. They made that very clear with Bezos stating they don't want to make money with selling their devices, they want to make money when you use them.
    - r00fus 14y ago
      It's not just the Amazon App-store apps, it's Amazon services/features like Silk, Whispersync, and X-Ray. That said, I'm seriously curious if Amazon is still using a highly modified, improved, Android 2.x fork for their release version.
- Evbn 14y ago
  Your "of course" is not legally or softwarely true as a rule.
eropple 14y ago
The issue is the tragic farce that is Amazon's UI, not sideloading (though I recall, perhaps incorrectly, some nonsense about Google Play being uninstalled if you tried to sideload it onto the device). The Kindle Fire's UI was terrifyingly bad. I expect nothing less from Amazon this time around. I buy Android devices for stock Android, not for a manufacturer skin.
- jonknee 14y ago
  > I buy Android devices for stock Android, not for a manufacturer skin. You're very much in the minority. People like iOS because it's integrated and easy, that's the same thing Amazon and Google are going for as well.
  - eropple 14y ago
    Stock Android is integrated and easy. Though perhaps you're taking "stock" to mean "lacking the Google applications," which I'm certainly not. "What comes on Nexus devices" is what I consider a stock Android product. That's effectively the selling point and why it's so fantastic.