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That's a valid observation, but we both lived through the advent of the modern PC, and the PC eliminated far more tools than that. It's a convenience to carry

That's a valid observation, but we both lived through the advent of the modern PC, and the PC eliminated far more tools than that. It's a convenience to carry around one smart phone instead of a dumb phone, a digital camera, and an iPod... but today that fills me with no more wonder than the advent of any of those three devices on their own.

TheOtherHobbes 1y ago
Smart phones are a pinnacle product that combines materials science, supply chain management, electronic engineering, product design, graphic design, operating system design, application development, computer science, quantum electro-optics, digital signal processing, communication theory, satellite communication, and marketing - all in a small handheld device. Not only are they absolutely miraculous, but they're commodity products that make the miracle seem routine and mundane.
- thomassmith65 1y ago
  When I watched the 2007 Apple keynote where Jobs announced the iPhone, it completely blew me away. These days the smartphone doesn't fill me with awe anymore the same way many earlier and even subsequent inventions still do. It's possibly because I could carry on quite easily without a smartphone. The greater loss would be for me to live without a mobile phone (of any variety), a computer, or a portable music player.
  - eru 1y ago
    > When I watched the 2007 Apple keynote where Jobs announced the iPhone, it completely blew me away. Wasn't the first iPhone basically just an iPod with a sim card? I mean smart phones are a great achievement, but they were an incremental improvement, nothing to be blown away by?
    - jcheng 1y ago
      Not at all. The iPod of the day had a click wheel as an input device. The iPhone introduced us to capacitive touch, multitouch, gesture recognition, full web browsing. Huge leap compared to not only the iPod but the PocketPCs of the day. Listen to the audience reaction when he shows how you scroll a list view: https://youtu.be/VQKMoT-6XSg?si=OmbgSG7nmEpdAETl&t=970 https://youtu.be/VQKMoT-6XSg?si=OmbgSG7nmEpdAETl&t=970
    - musicale 1y ago
      > Wasn't the first iPhone basically just an iPod with a sim card? It's the other way around. The iPod touch (introduced September 2007) was basically an iPhone (announced January 2007) without the phone part. > I mean smart phones are a great achievement, but they were an incremental improvement, nothing to be blown away by? Feature phones ("dumbphones"), even ones with cameras or music player functionality, were and are extremely limited compared to smartphones like the Palm Treo, which was basically a pocket-sized, wireless internet-connected computer with a much larger, color screen, OS and GUI, installable apps, and a tiny (but usable) keyboard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Treo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Treo Phones using DoCoMo's i-mode (which took off in Japan starting in 1999) were sort of a bridge between feature phones and smartphones. i-mode will finally shut down in 2026. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-mode https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-mode Smartphones also generally looked very different pre-iPhone and post-iPhone. > "What we had suddenly looked just so . . . nineties," DeSalvo said. "It's just one of those things that are obvious when you see it." https://www.engadget.com/2013-12-19-when-google-engineers-first-learned-about-the-iphone-what-we-h.html https://www.engadget.com/2013-12-19-when-google-engineers-fi...
      - eru 1y ago
        > It's the other way around. The iPod touch (introduced September 2007) was basically an iPhone (announced January 2007) without the phone part. Oh, thanks, I got my history the wrong way round!
    - dragonwriter 1y ago
      > Wasn't the first iPhone basically just an iPod with a sim card? No, the iPods that were like iPhones (iPod Touch) were after the iPhone, not predecessors. The main iPod at the time of the iPhone introduction ("iPod Classic") had a small, non-touch screen in the top area of the face (except, most of the face taken up by the physical "click wheel" control, and a hard disk for storage, and other immediately pre-iPhone iPod's were basically scaled down versions of the same design (with Flash memory on, IIRC, the Nano and Shuffle, and no screen on the Shuffle.)
eru 1y ago
Compared to my PC, the smartphones of my friends impressed me because I could they had so many sensors to partake in the world compared to my 'autistic' / 'shut-in' PC which basically only had a keyboard and a pointing device, and couldn't tell which way I was holding it nor a barometre etc.

TheOtherHobbes 1y ago

Smart phones are a pinnacle product that combines materials science, supply chain management, electronic engineering, product design, graphic design, operating system design, application development, computer science, quantum electro-optics, digital signal processing, communication theory, satellite communication, and marketing - all in a small handheld device. Not only are they absolutely miraculous, but they're commodity products that make the miracle seem routine and mundane.

thomassmith65 1y ago
When I watched the 2007 Apple keynote where Jobs announced the iPhone, it completely blew me away. These days the smartphone doesn't fill me with awe anymore the same way many earlier and even subsequent inventions still do. It's possibly because I could carry on quite easily without a smartphone. The greater loss would be for me to live without a mobile phone (of any variety), a computer, or a portable music player.
- eru 1y ago
  > When I watched the 2007 Apple keynote where Jobs announced the iPhone, it completely blew me away. Wasn't the first iPhone basically just an iPod with a sim card? I mean smart phones are a great achievement, but they were an incremental improvement, nothing to be blown away by?
  - jcheng 1y ago
    Not at all. The iPod of the day had a click wheel as an input device. The iPhone introduced us to capacitive touch, multitouch, gesture recognition, full web browsing. Huge leap compared to not only the iPod but the PocketPCs of the day. Listen to the audience reaction when he shows how you scroll a list view: https://youtu.be/VQKMoT-6XSg?si=OmbgSG7nmEpdAETl&t=970 https://youtu.be/VQKMoT-6XSg?si=OmbgSG7nmEpdAETl&t=970
  - musicale 1y ago
    > Wasn't the first iPhone basically just an iPod with a sim card? It's the other way around. The iPod touch (introduced September 2007) was basically an iPhone (announced January 2007) without the phone part. > I mean smart phones are a great achievement, but they were an incremental improvement, nothing to be blown away by? Feature phones ("dumbphones"), even ones with cameras or music player functionality, were and are extremely limited compared to smartphones like the Palm Treo, which was basically a pocket-sized, wireless internet-connected computer with a much larger, color screen, OS and GUI, installable apps, and a tiny (but usable) keyboard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Treo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Treo Phones using DoCoMo's i-mode (which took off in Japan starting in 1999) were sort of a bridge between feature phones and smartphones. i-mode will finally shut down in 2026. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-mode https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-mode Smartphones also generally looked very different pre-iPhone and post-iPhone. > "What we had suddenly looked just so . . . nineties," DeSalvo said. "It's just one of those things that are obvious when you see it." https://www.engadget.com/2013-12-19-when-google-engineers-first-learned-about-the-iphone-what-we-h.html https://www.engadget.com/2013-12-19-when-google-engineers-fi...
    - eru 1y ago
      > It's the other way around. The iPod touch (introduced September 2007) was basically an iPhone (announced January 2007) without the phone part. Oh, thanks, I got my history the wrong way round!
  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    > Wasn't the first iPhone basically just an iPod with a sim card? No, the iPods that were like iPhones (iPod Touch) were after the iPhone, not predecessors. The main iPod at the time of the iPhone introduction ("iPod Classic") had a small, non-touch screen in the top area of the face (except, most of the face taken up by the physical "click wheel" control, and a hard disk for storage, and other immediately pre-iPhone iPod's were basically scaled down versions of the same design (with Flash memory on, IIRC, the Nano and Shuffle, and no screen on the Shuffle.)

eru 1y ago

Compared to my PC, the smartphones of my friends impressed me because I could they had so many sensors to partake in the world compared to my 'autistic' / 'shut-in' PC which basically only had a keyboard and a pointing device, and couldn't tell which way I was holding it nor a barometre etc.