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Plenty of people enjoy Duolingo. And I wouldn’t say it’s a dead end any more than simple picture books or a total beginners class. Will it turn you into a fluen

Plenty of people enjoy Duolingo. And I wouldn’t say it’s a dead end any more than simple picture books or a total beginners class. Will it turn you into a fluent speaker? No, so what.

Mtinie 1y ago
> No, so what. Because it promotes itself as a platform to learn fluency. That’s why it’s important to recognize its limitations.
- lazyasciiart 1y ago
  I guess I just don’t know anyone who doesn’t recognize the limitations, perhaps that’s a function of an environment where we all know multiple languages already.
  - nyeah 1y ago
    If literally everyone recognizes the limitations, then Duolingo won't be harmed by changing their advertising to be accurate.
lambdaphagy 1y ago
My impression of duolingo was strongly influenced by a former PM who said basically what OP said without any hint of ill will in their voice. Duolingo discovered that it was easier to reward-hack short term signals of language learning instead of scaffolding those signals into longterm language learning. Today it’s essentially Candy Crush for people who think they’re too smart for Candy Crush. That’s not even a diss, it’s just The Way Of The World when you are directly rewarded for growth and retention and very indirectly for language learning.
- RHSeeger 1y ago
  > Today it’s essentially Candy Crush for people who think they’re too smart for Candy Crush. That's overly harsh. I use Duolingo for Japanese because - I thought it would be fun to learn a little about Japanese. And I do learn some, and it is fun. - I wanted to "understand" a bit of what was being said during subtitled anime I watch. This was _partially_ successful. I understand some words, and I notice some things like "oh, that was a question", and sometimes notice when what was said doesn't match the text. I get enough out of it that it adds to my enjoyment So, clearly there's a group of people out there that are there to gain some knowledge out of it, and _not_ to rack up some kind of score (and feel superior).
  - lambdaphagy 1y ago
    Sorry, that came out as unnecessarily harsh on users when it was intended for Duolingo’s product department. I don’t mean to suggest that the amount of language learning is literally zero, just that whenever language learning is in tension with legible metrics, the latter tends to win out internally.

Plenty of people enjoy Duolingo. And I wouldn’t say it’s a dead end any more than simple picture books or a total beginners class. Will it turn you into a fluent speaker? No, so what.

Mtinie 1y ago

> No, so what. Because it promotes itself as a platform to learn fluency. That’s why it’s important to recognize its limitations.

lazyasciiart 1y ago
I guess I just don’t know anyone who doesn’t recognize the limitations, perhaps that’s a function of an environment where we all know multiple languages already.
- nyeah 1y ago
  If literally everyone recognizes the limitations, then Duolingo won't be harmed by changing their advertising to be accurate.

lambdaphagy 1y ago

My impression of duolingo was strongly influenced by a former PM who said basically what OP said without any hint of ill will in their voice. Duolingo discovered that it was easier to reward-hack short term signals of language learning instead of scaffolding those signals into longterm language learning. Today it’s essentially Candy Crush for people who think they’re too smart for Candy Crush. That’s not even a diss, it’s just The Way Of The World when you are directly rewarded for growth and retention and very indirectly for language learning.

RHSeeger 1y ago
> Today it’s essentially Candy Crush for people who think they’re too smart for Candy Crush. That's overly harsh. I use Duolingo for Japanese because - I thought it would be fun to learn a little about Japanese. And I do learn some, and it is fun. - I wanted to "understand" a bit of what was being said during subtitled anime I watch. This was _partially_ successful. I understand some words, and I notice some things like "oh, that was a question", and sometimes notice when what was said doesn't match the text. I get enough out of it that it adds to my enjoyment So, clearly there's a group of people out there that are there to gain some knowledge out of it, and _not_ to rack up some kind of score (and feel superior).
- lambdaphagy 1y ago
  Sorry, that came out as unnecessarily harsh on users when it was intended for Duolingo’s product department. I don’t mean to suggest that the amount of language learning is literally zero, just that whenever language learning is in tension with legible metrics, the latter tends to win out internally.