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>> every pro maternity policy has failed to bring TFR Because that policies are bluff to say politicians support family without actually spending much of the b

>> every pro maternity policy has failed to bring TFR Because that policies are bluff to say politicians support family without actually spending much of the budget. Like give a 100€ rebate for a childcare while it costs 1000€ per month. And also it is closed for a month in summer, so you should care about the baby by yourself. Real pro-maternity policies will be like this: 1. Free childcare. 2. Free healthcare, including all medicine and vaccination. 3. Free public transport for kids and adults with them. 4. Subsidized shops with items for kids: from nappies to clothes. 4. Subsidized costs of housing for families with kids. 5. Subsidized costs of sport activities. 6. Fully paid maternity leave untill children can be full day in daycare. Even with generous European policies, having one kid is a huge hit to the lifestyle and savings. But we need to have 2-3 kids to keep the population.

maxglute 1y ago
>have 2-3 kids to keep the population. Yes, I think even "real pro-maternity" policies not enough. I written more in comment below, but my gut feeling is to get enough family formation that has 2-3 kids rather than 1-2, you need... basically UBI + slave labour tier support. Think UAE/Qatar, 20% locals doing 30hr/week make shift jobs, access to cheap labour, i.e. living in maid. Their TFR still declining fast, 4->3 in last 10 years but there's a chance they'll settle above 2.1 / replacement. Short of that level of "abundance" I think most will choose less than 2 kids and societies stuck with backfilling with immigration.
- ponector 1y ago
  Ubi will make no difference, as it will just hike prices for everyone. Free child-related services could make a difference, together with heavily subsidized housing, healthcare and transportation for people with kids
  - maxglute 1y ago
    > Free child-related services Unless that gets extended to household level, i.e. maids/nannies at home, I don't think it's enough. Hence UBI + "slave" labour tier support. Can't UBI way to hiring fellow nationals to be economical due to price hikes, so need economic subclass willing to work labour roles for peanuts with different economic structure subservient to local UBI purchase power.

maxglute 1y ago

>have 2-3 kids to keep the population. Yes, I think even "real pro-maternity" policies not enough. I written more in comment below, but my gut feeling is to get enough family formation that has 2-3 kids rather than 1-2, you need... basically UBI + slave labour tier support. Think UAE/Qatar, 20% locals doing 30hr/week make shift jobs, access to cheap labour, i.e. living in maid. Their TFR still declining fast, 4->3 in last 10 years but there's a chance they'll settle above 2.1 / replacement. Short of that level of "abundance" I think most will choose less than 2 kids and societies stuck with backfilling with immigration.

ponector 1y ago
Ubi will make no difference, as it will just hike prices for everyone. Free child-related services could make a difference, together with heavily subsidized housing, healthcare and transportation for people with kids
- maxglute 1y ago
  > Free child-related services Unless that gets extended to household level, i.e. maids/nannies at home, I don't think it's enough. Hence UBI + "slave" labour tier support. Can't UBI way to hiring fellow nationals to be economical due to price hikes, so need economic subclass willing to work labour roles for peanuts with different economic structure subservient to local UBI purchase power.