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Ask HN: Why do AIs include obvious, easily removed tells that can get you fired?

2 points by amichail 1y ago

For example, using matching curved quotation marks (“ and ”, ‘ and ’) is a clear AI tell. If the user forgets to convert them to straight quotes, they could get fired. So why do AIs use them?

glitchcrab 1y ago
Do you really think that the LLM knows or cares whether you get fired? Your mistake here is treating LLMs are sentient when all they really are is a token probability predictor.
- amichail 1y ago
  I'm sure the genius employees at these companies can do a search and replace (possibly client-side) to fix the quotation mark issue. Of course, some things, such as having too many em dashes, would require more work to fix.
Phlebsy 1y ago
Why do users insist on using tools that can get them fired? This is either a policy or culture problem, not an AI problem. Hell, just make a macro to replace all the funny anachronisms and a prompt that can reference your own writing style to massage the output.
scarface_74 1y ago
“This isn’t written by Ai” ‘And neither is this’ My iPhone and my computer do it automatically.
- rkomorn 1y ago
  And the behavior may even change depending on which language you've selected when you're typing!
Lariscus 1y ago
How about not using a LLM if you could get fired for doing so...
al_borland 1y ago
Quotes like that were an issue long before AI. Classically, it was a sign that something was copied from Word or Outlook. I used to run into it constantly 15 years ago, I had a co-worker run into it a couple weeks ago, no AI involved. As much as I’ve seen this, I’ve never seen anyone get fired for it, this includes times where it broke production.
bdangubic 1y ago
There are many more places these days where not using AI gets you fired… :)
zzo38computer 1y ago
I think some programs on some computers will automatically use curved quotations marks (even if they can be disabled, it is not always done), and sometimes they are deliberately entered manually, so that is not necessarily the AI.
qkeast 1y ago
Using curved, matching quotation marks is typographic design and style, as is using hyphens, en, and em dashes correctly in context. Many tools will automatically use the correct typographic symbols in context in the same way they’ll automatically insert periods and spaces in response to double-spacing. And even setting that aside—typographic style is a long-standing craft of design. Why would we want to let LLMs take that away from us?

2 points by amichail 1y ago

For example, using matching curved quotation marks (“ and ”, ‘ and ’) is a clear AI tell. If the user forgets to convert them to straight quotes, they could get fired. So why do AIs use them?

glitchcrab 1y ago

Do you really think that the LLM knows or cares whether you get fired? Your mistake here is treating LLMs are sentient when all they really are is a token probability predictor.

amichail 1y ago
I'm sure the genius employees at these companies can do a search and replace (possibly client-side) to fix the quotation mark issue. Of course, some things, such as having too many em dashes, would require more work to fix.

Phlebsy 1y ago

Why do users insist on using tools that can get them fired? This is either a policy or culture problem, not an AI problem. Hell, just make a macro to replace all the funny anachronisms and a prompt that can reference your own writing style to massage the output.

scarface_74 1y ago

“This isn’t written by Ai” ‘And neither is this’ My iPhone and my computer do it automatically.

rkomorn 1y ago
And the behavior may even change depending on which language you've selected when you're typing!

Lariscus 1y ago

How about not using a LLM if you could get fired for doing so...

al_borland 1y ago

Quotes like that were an issue long before AI. Classically, it was a sign that something was copied from Word or Outlook. I used to run into it constantly 15 years ago, I had a co-worker run into it a couple weeks ago, no AI involved. As much as I’ve seen this, I’ve never seen anyone get fired for it, this includes times where it broke production.

bdangubic 1y ago

There are many more places these days where not using AI gets you fired… :)

zzo38computer 1y ago

I think some programs on some computers will automatically use curved quotations marks (even if they can be disabled, it is not always done), and sometimes they are deliberately entered manually, so that is not necessarily the AI.

qkeast 1y ago

Using curved, matching quotation marks is typographic design and style, as is using hyphens, en, and em dashes correctly in context. Many tools will automatically use the correct typographic symbols in context in the same way they’ll automatically insert periods and spaces in response to double-spacing. And even setting that aside—typographic style is a long-standing craft of design. Why would we want to let LLMs take that away from us?