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> Yes it does. [paragraphs of stuff that don't reflect a need to raid factories in order to seize legal workers] No. It does not. Raiding factories of legal wo

> Yes it does. [paragraphs of stuff that don't reflect a need to raid factories in order to seize legal workers] No. It does not. Raiding factories of legal workers does not improve my life. Creating a state of persistent fear for legal residents - this also does not improve my life. It does however degrade the lives of legal residents and citizens I know and care about.

rayiner 1y ago
> Raiding factories of legal workers does not improve my life. They're illegal workers who broke the law not only by immigrating illegally, but by using stolen identification to get past the federal employment verification system: "In his experience, E-Verify was good at checking numbers, not people. The government maintained that Glenn Valley employees had been using IDs that were stolen. One number belonged to a nursing student in Missouri, who lost her student loans as a result of the identity theft. Another came from a disabled man in Texas, who could no longer get his medications." And if the article is correct in suggesting that illegal workers are getting past the eVerify system, that suggests that identity theft and identity fraud is a much bigger part of the issue than anyone realized previously.
- WarOnPrivacy 1y ago
  > They're illegal workers who broke the law not only by immigrating illegally, but by using stolen identification to get past the federal employment verification system. So, some boundaries here to establish perspective. Since the mandate of seizing and exporting 3000 people/day, we've had a series of disingenuous and patently false statements from the relevant USG agencies. Further, the acts committed in this pursuit have exhibited extreme bad will by this administration and commonly disregard constitutional boundaries. If this isn't a baseline you accept as factual and useful to the discussion, there's little point in continuing beyond this point. If you do not see these violations as harmful to the integrity to rule of law and to the trustworthiness of US Gov's authority, there is little point in continuing this conversation. If you feel current US Gov justifications are trustworthy by default, we are likely at an irreconcilable point. That said, we know US Gov's verification system validated these workers. US Gov justifies seizing these workers based on fraudulent identities - after saying they are valid. The trustworthiness of the latter claim isn't well established given the agencies' recent history. Given it's most recently earned reputation, it is especially likely that the claims of false identity are at least partially false and probably trend higher. If you do not see this as a reasonable supposition, I believe we are done here.
- mcphage 1y ago
  > They're illegal workers who broke the law not only by immigrating illegally This being a misdemeanor, on par with speeding—something I’m sure none of us have ever done today.
  - rayiner 1y ago
    Illegal entry, by itself, is not even a misdemeanor. But illegal aliens typically break numerous other laws to obtain employment and evade detection: https://cis.org/Report/Myth-Otherwise-LawAbiding-Illegal-Alien https://cis.org/Report/Myth-Otherwise-LawAbiding-Illegal-Ali.... E.g. using false identification to evade eVerify probably can be charged as a felony under 18 USC 1028 or 18 USC 1001. I’d you work with a smuggler or cartel to gain entry, you can be charged with felonies under conspiracy laws. And nobody complies with 8 USC 1302, which requires aliens to register. That’s punishable by up to six months in prison. Ordinary speeding can’t carry jail time at least here in Maryland.

rayiner 1y ago

> Raiding factories of legal workers does not improve my life. They're illegal workers who broke the law not only by immigrating illegally, but by using stolen identification to get past the federal employment verification system: "In his experience, E-Verify was good at checking numbers, not people. The government maintained that Glenn Valley employees had been using IDs that were stolen. One number belonged to a nursing student in Missouri, who lost her student loans as a result of the identity theft. Another came from a disabled man in Texas, who could no longer get his medications." And if the article is correct in suggesting that illegal workers are getting past the eVerify system, that suggests that identity theft and identity fraud is a much bigger part of the issue than anyone realized previously.

WarOnPrivacy 1y ago
> They're illegal workers who broke the law not only by immigrating illegally, but by using stolen identification to get past the federal employment verification system. So, some boundaries here to establish perspective. Since the mandate of seizing and exporting 3000 people/day, we've had a series of disingenuous and patently false statements from the relevant USG agencies. Further, the acts committed in this pursuit have exhibited extreme bad will by this administration and commonly disregard constitutional boundaries. If this isn't a baseline you accept as factual and useful to the discussion, there's little point in continuing beyond this point. If you do not see these violations as harmful to the integrity to rule of law and to the trustworthiness of US Gov's authority, there is little point in continuing this conversation. If you feel current US Gov justifications are trustworthy by default, we are likely at an irreconcilable point. That said, we know US Gov's verification system validated these workers. US Gov justifies seizing these workers based on fraudulent identities - after saying they are valid. The trustworthiness of the latter claim isn't well established given the agencies' recent history. Given it's most recently earned reputation, it is especially likely that the claims of false identity are at least partially false and probably trend higher. If you do not see this as a reasonable supposition, I believe we are done here.
mcphage 1y ago
> They're illegal workers who broke the law not only by immigrating illegally This being a misdemeanor, on par with speeding—something I’m sure none of us have ever done today.
- rayiner 1y ago
  Illegal entry, by itself, is not even a misdemeanor. But illegal aliens typically break numerous other laws to obtain employment and evade detection: https://cis.org/Report/Myth-Otherwise-LawAbiding-Illegal-Alien https://cis.org/Report/Myth-Otherwise-LawAbiding-Illegal-Ali.... E.g. using false identification to evade eVerify probably can be charged as a felony under 18 USC 1028 or 18 USC 1001. I’d you work with a smuggler or cartel to gain entry, you can be charged with felonies under conspiracy laws. And nobody complies with 8 USC 1302, which requires aliens to register. That’s punishable by up to six months in prison. Ordinary speeding can’t carry jail time at least here in Maryland.