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As they should be. That is what we democratically decided on as a society - as is our good right It's undemocratic for foreign powers to try to undermine that

As they should be. That is what we democratically decided on as a society - as is our good right It's undemocratic for foreign powers to try to undermine that and it is treason for you to conspire with foreign enemies against the will of the people.

hsuduebc2 1y ago
I am not a fan of censorship either, like most people, but what you are saying is true. This kind of alibi talk built on the premise that “propaganda is just an opinion” is naive. It is a total refusal to face reality because it avoids seeing the world in a more complex way. In the Middle Ages there were pogroms against Jews based on the claim that they ate small children. That too was someone’s opinion, deliberately spread to kill and rob people. Today we call it propaganda, not an opinion. A weaponized word in the hands of an attacker is a weapon. And even with all that said, I am uneasy about the growing power and reach of potential censorship. Particularly the part when politician's it self are exempted from these rules. This proposed solution with "think about the kids" argument is absurd.
nickslaughter02 1y ago
With people like you in it no wonder the world is speed running towards total dystopia.
- saubeidl 1y ago
  Total dystopia is Nazis freely spreading their propaganda unchallenged. We've seen where this leads before and have learned the historical lesson. The fact that your source claims to fight an imagined left wing bias tells me all I need to know - this is exactly the sort of propaganda that needs to be banned before more people fall for it and it hurts our society more.
  - nickslaughter02 1y ago
    Ban speech even more! Before it hurts us!
    - saubeidl 1y ago
      Exactly. Hate speech is violence. > When our enemies say: well, we gave you the freedom of opinion back then- yeah, you gave it to us, that's in no way evidence that we should return the favor! Your stupidity shall not be contagious! That you granted it to us is evidence of how dumb you are! -- Joseph Goebbels, 1935 Let's not make the same mistake again.

hsuduebc2 1y ago

I am not a fan of censorship either, like most people, but what you are saying is true. This kind of alibi talk built on the premise that “propaganda is just an opinion” is naive. It is a total refusal to face reality because it avoids seeing the world in a more complex way. In the Middle Ages there were pogroms against Jews based on the claim that they ate small children. That too was someone’s opinion, deliberately spread to kill and rob people. Today we call it propaganda, not an opinion. A weaponized word in the hands of an attacker is a weapon. And even with all that said, I am uneasy about the growing power and reach of potential censorship. Particularly the part when politician's it self are exempted from these rules. This proposed solution with "think about the kids" argument is absurd.

nickslaughter02 1y ago

With people like you in it no wonder the world is speed running towards total dystopia.

saubeidl 1y ago
Total dystopia is Nazis freely spreading their propaganda unchallenged. We've seen where this leads before and have learned the historical lesson. The fact that your source claims to fight an imagined left wing bias tells me all I need to know - this is exactly the sort of propaganda that needs to be banned before more people fall for it and it hurts our society more.
- nickslaughter02 1y ago
  Ban speech even more! Before it hurts us!
  - saubeidl 1y ago
    Exactly. Hate speech is violence. > When our enemies say: well, we gave you the freedom of opinion back then- yeah, you gave it to us, that's in no way evidence that we should return the favor! Your stupidity shall not be contagious! That you granted it to us is evidence of how dumb you are! -- Joseph Goebbels, 1935 Let's not make the same mistake again.