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Why do you think this is an attempt at a persuasion tactic? Taint flags in this context just means something that might be relevant to debugging. Which this con

Why do you think this is an attempt at a persuasion tactic? Taint flags in this context just means something that might be relevant to debugging. Which this condition might be, if people in the future are unfamiliar with a potentially anachronistic split between /usr/bin and /usr/sbin. The debug message isn't there to judge the morality of your configuration. It's actively improving your ability to continue to support both ways, by properly indicating what style of system it is for troubleshooting purposes.

kasabali 1y ago
> Why do you think this is an attempt at a persuasion tactic Because they said so: > As part of that we sometimes adopt schemes that were previously used by only one of the distributions and push it to a level where it's the default of systemd, trying to gently push everybody towards the same set of basic configuration [1] 1. https://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html https://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html
- creatonez 1y ago
  This was written 11 years before that debug log was added. Extremely loose connection. Things do actually change over the course of 11 years, believe it or not.
  - kasabali 1y ago
    It's their modus operandi and it haven't changed, believe or not. > it is definitely our intention to gently push the distributions in the same direction so that they stop supporting deviating solutions for these things where there's really no point at all in doing so. [1] > Distros may deviate from this by patching this downstream, but by shipping this as secure default I do hope to gently push everybody in the same direction. > start pushing people gently to define GPT partition type UUIDs for missing archs > Let's generate a single gcc `#warning` message asking people to define partition type UUIDs for their architectures if they are missing. [3] [1] https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2010-September/000391.html https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2010-Se... [2] https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2011-March/001823.html https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2011-Ma... [3] https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/d42e4fa258701ff5e094a39149f6cef327adcf52 https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/d42e4fa258701ff5e0...
int_19h 1y ago
How and why is this relevant to debugging? Also, like it or not, the word "tainted" bears a negative connotation. It's hard to imagine that it was chosen arbitrarily.

kasabali 1y ago

> Why do you think this is an attempt at a persuasion tactic Because they said so: > As part of that we sometimes adopt schemes that were previously used by only one of the distributions and push it to a level where it's the default of systemd, trying to gently push everybody towards the same set of basic configuration [1] 1. https://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html https://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html

creatonez 1y ago
This was written 11 years before that debug log was added. Extremely loose connection. Things do actually change over the course of 11 years, believe it or not.
- kasabali 1y ago
  It's their modus operandi and it haven't changed, believe or not. > it is definitely our intention to gently push the distributions in the same direction so that they stop supporting deviating solutions for these things where there's really no point at all in doing so. [1] > Distros may deviate from this by patching this downstream, but by shipping this as secure default I do hope to gently push everybody in the same direction. > start pushing people gently to define GPT partition type UUIDs for missing archs > Let's generate a single gcc `#warning` message asking people to define partition type UUIDs for their architectures if they are missing. [3] [1] https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2010-September/000391.html https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2010-Se... [2] https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2011-March/001823.html https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2011-Ma... [3] https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/d42e4fa258701ff5e094a39149f6cef327adcf52 https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/d42e4fa258701ff5e0...

int_19h 1y ago

How and why is this relevant to debugging? Also, like it or not, the word "tainted" bears a negative connotation. It's hard to imagine that it was chosen arbitrarily.