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LTS has had major breaking changes in various areas in recent times too, virtio was badly broken at one point this year, as was a commonly used netlink interfac
by raggi 1y ago
LTS has had major breaking changes in various areas in recent times too, virtio was badly broken at one point this year, as was a commonly used netlink interface. Hat tip to the Arch kernel contributors who helped track this down and chase upstream, as we had mutually affected users. The debian and ubuntu bug trackers were a wasteland of silence and user contributions throughout the situation, and frustratingly continued to be so as AWS, GCP and others copied their kernel patch trees and blindly shipped the same problems to users and refused to respond to bugs and emails.
You're right stability comes from testing, not enough testing happens around Linux period, regardless of which branch is being discussed.
It's not easy testing kernels, but the bar is pretty low.
- b112 1y agoBear in mind, LTS and ELTS are not Debian maintained. The wiki has more info on this.
- aragilar 1y agoI think they mean the LTS kernels, not Debian's LTS.
- pabs3 1y agoThe folks behind Debian LTS and Freexian ELTS are all Debian members/contributors, and the Debian LTS changes end up in the Debian archive, while the Freexian ELTS ones are publicly available, just in an external archive. https://wiki.debian.org/LTS https://wiki.debian.org/LTS https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Team https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Team https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Funding https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Funding https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended
- b112 1y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44853371 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44853371
- WD-42 1y agoOne of the unsung praises of Arch is that it's turned thousands of users into testers. Before someone says "that shouldn't be the user's responsibility" I'm going to say I'm not so sure. We're all in this together. I'd rather deal with a bug or two on my desktop at home if it means it gets fixed before appearing in a distro that gets used for servers at work and causes issues there where the consequences are much higher.
- porridgeraisin 1y agoI have a similar experience. My not-so-tech-savvy brother also has the same laptop setup I do (arch+XFCE). He knows to yay -Syyu and it's usually never a problem. The recent upgrade there was the vlc package split problem so I told him to hold on upgrading and that I'd come and do it. While I needed to sit and filter and install the optional dependencies myself for my upgrade, a week later it was already figured out (based on user feedback I assume) and the usual yay -Syyu installed just the right optional dependencies.
- specproc 1y agoI don't consider myself particularly adept with linux. I've only been running it daily on the desktop for the last few years and, aside from mucking around with TWMs, I've not done much poking about with the internals. Despite the reputations, I've had far fewer issues on Arch-based desktop distros than back when I was rolling Ubuntu and Debian. That said, Debian on a server every time.
- porridgeraisin 1y agoYeah same. I think the release cycle actually doesn't matter at all. The reason for it is that the majority of breakage are caused by components/extensions of gnome and kde and non-DE-yet-complex software in distros with a lot of those present out of the box, like manjaro, breaking backwards compatibility every other week. When people switch to arch they typically set things up from scratch, end up choosing simple tools and avoid most of the unstable stuff distros push onto you.
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- taskforcegemini 1y agoThe virtio bug bit me. I have one hostnode (debian) with one nic that gets passed through to a virtualized opnsense. Storage is two consumer nvme in raid0 as system disk. I was expecting downtime with this setup, but kernel bug was not on my list.