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People in general love utopias when they weren't exposed to their real incarnations. Same with the RETVRN types who dream of an ancient-like societal structure
by inglor_cz 1y ago
People in general love utopias when they weren't exposed to their real incarnations.
Same with the RETVRN types who dream of an ancient-like societal structure without realizing that they would likely be slaves.
- Nevermark 1y agoThis is like hardcore libertarians, anarchy-capitalists. If they were dropped into a stateless (failed state) area, where they would have complete formal sovereignty, any but the super wealthy (who could afford private security, water and food quality systems, etc.), would soon leave, become impoverished, or die tragically at the behest of other legally unencumbered "self-sovereign" actors. The excuses they might make, that libertarianism requires some basically supportive context (provided by who? and in what system?) to get off the ground, also undermine the arguments of the hard-independent individual crowd. (I happen to think that "libertarianism" is a fruitful collection of ideas and insights, but in the context of many other systems with complementary ideas and insights. On a practical level, we need the best of many systems working together.)
- immibis 1y agoLibertarianism has always been an ideology where the state should do what I want, but not what you want since that costs money. They rationalize why the things they want (like property rights) aren't really a state.