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Giordano Bruno
by ponector 1y ago
Giordano Bruno
- AnthonyMouse 1y agoHow about one that doesn't predate capitalism?
- LtWorf 1y agoSo… Giordano Bruno?
- AnthonyMouse 1y agoGiordano Bruno, 1548-1600. Capitalism came to rise during the industrial revolution more than a hundred years later.
- LtWorf 1y agoIf you arbitrarily want to make it start there… sure
- ponector 1y agoWasn't it a capitalism, the system Roman empire had?
- gambiting 1y agoIt had elements of capitalism, like private ownership and focus on trade via monetary means, but its economy was largely based on slavery and your position within the system was based almost entirely on where you were born and to whom. It's a pre-industrial system, capitalism isn't really the correct description for it.
- ponector 1y agoSounds like USA in the early days. Not a capitalism as well?
- gambiting 1y agoI mean, obviously not? History is way more complicated than this, just because certain elements fit doesn't mean we look at it and go "yeah that's capitalism mate". Historians generally use capitalism as a description for economic systems from 19th century onwards - before then the correct answer is usually "it's complicated". I appreciate that can be frustrating if we just want to slap a simple recognizable label on things, but history doesn't always fit what we want it to be.
- pavel_lishin 1y agoAs relevant to this discussion as Joan of Arc.
- ponector 1y agoBut it highlights the absurdity of the statement that West also purged scientists. I can think about Turing, he was definitely is a victim of the system, but not because he was a scientist.